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February 28, 2004 STACKING THE DECK....Apparently George Bush's Council on Bioethics still has a few members who actually disagree with him about stem cells and cloning. Can't have that, can we? As of today, they're gone. It's good to know that scientists with opposing viewpoints are being sent packing back to the liberal universities where they belong. On a related note, the Washington Post reports that one of the new members, Benjamin Carson, laments that "we live in a nation where we can't talk about God in public." I wonder exactly what nation he lives in? Surely I'm not the only one who's noticed that talking about God is hardly in short supply here in the United States? Posted by Kevin Drum at February 28, 2004 08:27 AM | TrackBackComments
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The conseravitives that appear her and talk trash should realise that we have some ligitimate concerns and this type of descision gives validation to those fears. We can only hope that the moderate conservatives can see thru the smokescreen thats being laid down to cover for the shams being put in place.What they have to look thru tho is a media that only reports half the stories,for instance,last night I saw an interview with someone on CNN.Both the interviewer and interviewee were trying to show how Kerry is against defence.They pointed to his record of voting against spending on specific programs.This is partially true and I would agree with the point that Kerry HAS voted against wepons system,BUT and this is a big one the interviwer FAILED to point out that those votes were back a long time ago and most of the congress was voting along with him. The point is that the media while pointing to facts,like the current administration,THEY ARE LEAVING OUT THE OTHER HALF OF THE STORIES.This is a total failure of the media,it leaves viewers misdirected and leaves millions in danger of comming to conclusions without all the facts. This is exactly like what the administration's science policies are,half truths.When science and journalism,among other professions,are left without all the facts we face a monsterous uphill climb to make the right descisions. I truly fear the future under the guidance of George W. Bush.Are we to degradate to the stone age to adopt a code of religiousness that many of us do not want? Even if you agree with conservative values(which I do alot of the time)You MUST see that this kind of policy is jaded,racist,misguided,and immoral.We have not become so technology oriented due to the teachings of the church,we have become such a people by the opposite.Look at the learnings of Galalio and Coprenicus and many others.They bucked the church and we ARE better for it.GWB wants to reimplement those narrow opinions of the church. Racial suicide is not an option. Posted by: smalfish at February 28, 2004 09:56 AM | PERMALINKWhat I find especially telling is that when Speaking as a committed Christian, I think Kevin nails the problem squarely on the head -- talking about God is not in short supply amongst some elements of central leadership. However, when you have millions of people who have trouble affording food, shelter, and medical care in the richest Christian-majority nation ever to exist in history and yet somehow it is the FMA that is the highest priority, when you have tax cuts go to the extreme wealthy while millions of children --*American* children-- go hungry, it's obvious somebody very seriously dropped the ball. The New Testament has a lot of *very* sharp, unmistakably, unambiguously clear language regarding both the duty of Christians to serve the less fortunate *and* the deadly danger of hypocrisy. In fact, much of the recorded dialogue between Christ and the Pharisees centered precisely on the latter topic. Many countless millions of Christians do their best to serve as Christ commanded. It's, for example, the way Jimmy Carter interpets his Christian faith. Or Mother Theresa. It is not, however, entirely clear how George W. Bush's policies torwards the poor are consistent with the Gospels he's supposedly committed his life to --the same ones that condemn favortism to the wealthy and demand service to the poor? The dangers of hypocrisy are one of the single largest topics discussed in the New Testament --dwarfing, by far, other topics such as sexual immorality. In fact, if you had to pick one single theme and topic, it probably would be one of the most common and most emphasized. That danger has also been one of the central themes of my Christian upbringing in mainline, mainstream evangelical Churches. When one claims the title of Christian, one essentially commits to upholding *themselves* to a high standard of conduct --to love God and love thy neighbor; it is the duty of every Christian to live in such a way that they can see in us the selflessness and mercy that we believe our God and our Messiah showed. Do we Christians --do the Christians that you encounter in your daily life and that you see on the evening news and in the West Wing-- live up to that standard? My pastors have long warned us that we as Christians too often *don't*. That we too often fall to the sins of pride and self-righeousness for which Jesus condemned the Pharisees. And it is my personal opinion that my pastors are right. The ultimate point being, as a MD/PhD student training in academic medicine, and having been fortunate enough to have been involved in medical activism on a national scale, I think I can guess at what Carson is saying and why it's not as crazy as it sounds. In Carson's world --and mine-- you *can't* talk about God, not in academia in Blue America --and by in large the vast majority of the most advanced biomedical and scientific work done is *in* Blue America. This is a place where multi-culturalism is celebrated unless the culture being celebrated is Christian, in which case it is met with fear --fear that is not unjustified, to my shame and the shame of all Christians. It is my opinion that we as Christians, by the hypocrisy that too many non-Christians have encountered, by the bigotry and hatred and self-righteousness that too many non-Christians have encountered in too many Christians, have earned the fear that we face in Carson's America and in mine. And until Jimmy Carter's selfless service fighting disease and building houses for the homeless is the predominant form of Christianity most non-Christians encounter, instead of the one that somehow allows for tax cuts for the extreme wealthy while kids go hungry, it's going to stay that way. It's entirely up to us as Christians to *earn* that acceptance. But then, that's been the message for the last 2000 years, no matter how poorly we as Christians have lived up to it. Posted by: Jeff at February 28, 2004 10:18 AM | PERMALINKWouldn't it be wonderful if it were actually true: that no US citizen who receives any money directly from the US government be allowed to speak publicly about religion. It seems unlikely that anything less will effectively separate church and state. Got an even better idea. Nobody who gets money directly from the government gets to vote on tax and spending programs. Posted by: tborsz at February 28, 2004 10:18 AM | PERMALINKI'm beginning to think that Kevin never paid attention to politics at all prior to Bush's election. An administration committee or council stacked for political reasons? Alert the media! Or maybe you all believe that Al Gore would have put Bjorn Lomborg in a prominent environmental study position, or a pro-lifer on a health care committee. Posted by: tbrosz at February 28, 2004 10:21 AM | PERMALINKGot an even better idea. Nobody who gets money directly from the government gets to vote on tax and spending programs. Disenfrancising firemen, policemen and combat-zone soldiers? Posted by: Jeff at February 28, 2004 10:23 AM | PERMALINKTell you what, tbrosz, since stacking scientific committees and advisory councils is so common, I'm sure you will have no problem finding countless examples of similar egregious behavior on the part of previous Democratic and Republican administrations. We'll just sit here and wait while you dig up all of those references, okay? Posted by: PaulB at February 28, 2004 10:24 AM | PERMALINKFor the record, I'm well aware that many presidents like to hear from people who agree with them. What's different in this case is the degree, the blatancy and the extent of the stacking of the deck and the banishment of all scientific thought. Posted by: PaulB at February 28, 2004 10:26 AM | PERMALINKMichael Gazzaniga, a Dartmouth neuroscientist who sits on the council, said he was "upset" by Blackburn's ejection. "She was one of the basic scientists who understood the biology of many of the issues we're talking about," Gazzaniga said. "It will be a loss for sure." Guess who will be next to go? Posted by: ____league at February 28, 2004 11:27 AM | PERMALINKPresident Bush once said in jest, "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier ... just so long as I'm the dictator." Was it in jest? Posted by: ____league at February 28, 2004 11:32 AM | PERMALINKWe all know that cancer is a result of premarital sex anyway. Actually, the fundamentalist claim is that it's caused by abortions. They've polluted google so that a search will turn up pages of falsehood.
Jeff, "the fundamentalist claim is that it's caused by abortions." Actually the adminstration has tried to put out the lie that abortion causes breast cancer.What braindead wormtounge put that idea into Bushes head?Bonehead science comes from bonehead politicians thinking they can make scientific policy. I fear for our future generations.The experts in business call for more and better education in math and science and we get this kind of scientific policy.UNEXCUSABLE!!! Posted by: smalfish at February 28, 2004 11:58 AM | PERMALINKYou are all under arrest following investigation for saying "God" in public. Watch yourselves that you don't get in more trouble by saying M_l G____n or even K__l R no I don't even dare spell it Posted by: bob mcmanus at February 28, 2004 12:40 PM | PERMALINKWow, Jeff. Your post brings to my mind the Prayer of St. Francis (and how Americans Christians are failing to sincerely pursue it): Lord, make us instruments This notion of Christianity is on the lips of our fellow Christians in various forms, but the ones in positions of authority seem quite loathe to practice it. Emphasis on FMA? Definitely sowing discord and hatred rather than unity and love. Using 9/11 as an excuse for the encroachment on civil rights? Sowing despair instead of hope. And that whole "Lord, make us instruments of your peace" business seems to completely evade them. The tax policy fails to comply with the "For it is in giving that we receive" bit, as well. Alabama Gov. Riley, a Republican and I believe a Southern Baptist, decried Alabama's current tax structure as "unchristian," and I agreed with him. Unfortunately, Christian Coalition and other right-wing "Christian" groups did not and his plan, which would have relieved the burden on poorer families and put it on corporations and wealthier individuals, was defeated. The time is ripe for a new Christian center/left to emerge, to give witness to the world what Christ was *really* about. Posted by: A Texan in Maryland at February 28, 2004 12:42 PM | PERMALINKCheck out the religious and conservative credentials of the new panel members. Scary. More Undermining Science for Religion and More on the Panel Replacements. Posted by: Frank at February 28, 2004 01:33 PM | PERMALINKI understand and sypathize with what you are all saying...but let's just pray the entire board goes to see THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST....now that's an education! Posted by: Keiser at February 28, 2004 01:53 PM | PERMALINKI understand and sypathize with what you are all saying...but let's just pray the entire board goes to see THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST....now that's an education! and your point was? Posted by: ____league at February 28, 2004 02:16 PM | PERMALINKIt almost feels like we've two Christianities in America, and they can be fairly well summarized by whether you think Jimmy Carter or GWB is the better examply of Christian behavior or whether you feel that Gibson's movie de-emphasizes the really important parts of Christ's life or it will bring people closer to Christ. Posted by: A Texan in Maryland at February 28, 2004 02:34 PM | PERMALINK"The Passion" fails the St. Francis Prayer Test, in my opinion. Posted by: A Texan in Maryland at February 28, 2004 02:35 PM | PERMALINKJimmy Carter or GWB is the better examply of Christian behavior I vote for Jimmy Carter. 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As far as the non-scientists are concerned, it is overwhelmingly conservative; those who are not explicitly on the right are communitarians, whose view is that individual rights are sometimes appropriately subordinated to community morality. (When and how often is the subject of both debate and a certain amount of fudging.) -- My problem with the commission is not that it does not mirror my own personal views, but that one very small (and not particularly good) set of bioethical views is vastly overrepresented on it. Plus, since when is Charles Krauthammer a serious moral thinker? Posted by: hilzoy at February 28, 2004 07:10 PM | PERMALINKI just heard a commentator refer to the Passion of Christ as "the Texas Chainsaw Crufixion." 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rightwing Christian party, bigger leftwing Xtian party and biggest
center-leaning-to-the-right Xtian party) This article refers to the Union of Concerned Scientists as a "Washington-based interest group". While that may be technically accurate, if Scientific Integrity has become just one in a long line of special interests, we are in trouble indeed. The report they produced last week detailing the ways in which politics has corrupted science under this administration is well worth reading. http://www2.ucsusa.org/global_environment/rsi/rsirelease.html Posted by: one concerned scientist at February 29, 2004 04:08 PM | PERMALINKThe White House's Personnel Announcement of January 27, 2004, is extremely brief. Regarding the President's Council on Bioethics it mentions the three individuals the President intends to appoint, and that is all. It does not mention the two dismissed individuals, Elizabeth Blackburn and William May. Nor does it provide any reasons. 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