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February 27, 2004 GEORGE BUSH, SUPERSTAR?....Via The Filibuster, Albert Eisele and Jeff Dufour of The Hill report on GOP plans for their national convention:
They can't be seriously considering this, can they? Maybe my instincts are way off, but I think the backlash from using the WTC site as the backdrop for a partisan speech would be enormous. Then again, who knows? As I mentioned in the previous post, the GOP seems to have lost its previously sure footing for these kinds of things ever since the carrier landing last year. Maybe they really are thinking of doing this. Note to Karl: a fog machine would be good too. It goes great with stages that rise up from underground. A guaranteed crowd pleaser. Posted by Kevin Drum at February 27, 2004 09:08 AM | TrackBackComments
Remember, the due from Twisted Sister broke his neck or something when he was head-banging wearing his thirty pound fright wig. Bush should avoid that. Posted by: spacezebra at February 27, 2004 09:12 AM | PERMALINKShould have been 'dude', of course. Also, watch the pyrotechnics, especially if there's a Pepsi sign around. Posted by: spacezebra at February 27, 2004 09:14 AM | PERMALINKGenerally speaking, I have supported Bush on domestic and foreign policy, although I have disagreed with quite a few positions he and his administration have taken. I agree with Kevin, however, that using 9/11 or Ground Zero as a "prop" for a partisan speech is an awful idea. I hope the "source" is wrong. Posted by: Ellis Wyatt at February 27, 2004 09:14 AM | PERMALINKLasers. Lots of freekin lasers. In any case, I think what's going on here is the same thing that happens in management enviroments. You get so sure of yourself, so damn cocky that you make horrible decisions yet think they are wonderful. Pride comes before a fall... Posted by: Karmakin at February 27, 2004 09:15 AM | PERMALINKAwesome! It'll be just like a KISS concert! Posted by: Ananna at February 27, 2004 09:16 AM | PERMALINKI've said it before and I'll say it again... Republicans == Classy! Posted by: Gryn at February 27, 2004 09:16 AM | PERMALINKfurther note to Karl--try pyrotechnics! gets the crowd going and if we lose your crowd so what. Posted by: Mr76 at February 27, 2004 09:18 AM | PERMALINK
I'd have to hear more about the Intrepid thing, which sounds unwise . . . but I can't imagine they'd actually want to go to Ground Zero (I can more imagine Bush going there for a low-key speech on the anniversary, but not as part of the convention). I very much doubt that the senior GOP players would go for that. This is probably a pretty junior guy talking out of his rear end. Posted by: Crank at February 27, 2004 09:20 AM | PERMALINKPlease, no negative comments on Bush doing his acceptance speech at ground zero! I endorse the fog machines and the laser light show. This could be a GOP Convention that sets new records! Maybe they can work in a showing of "The Passion." Posted by: BayMike at February 27, 2004 09:22 AM | PERMALINKI suspect the more they promote the idea of the "9/11 President" the more it will come across as crass. So...bring it on. The more they seem to work "the base" the more it motivates the swing in the other direction. A September wrapping of the president in the 9/11 flag would be a nice reminder of the cynicism of this administrations attempted manipulations. Posted by: carsick at February 27, 2004 09:22 AM | PERMALINKI heard that if you play "Dark Side of the Moon" along with Bush's acceptance speech, the synch is amazing. Posted by: d at February 27, 2004 09:24 AM | PERMALINKMaybe Bush can ascend through the stage from an underground chamber, and some homosexuals grab him and tie him to a cross and then, amidst angels and Uncle Sams suspended from fishing wire so they look like they're flying (with a rousing chorus of God Bless America), the flyover of Blue Angels in formation create a sonic boom and Bush descends from the cross. The homosexuals immediately pair off with members of the opposite sex and begin cheering and praying. I'm emailing this to Karl for his input. I'll bet there's plenty of stuff they haven't decided on yet. You heard it here first, though. Posted by: chris at February 27, 2004 09:24 AM | PERMALINKCheck out Dan Froomkin's piece from the WP on the new TV show about the Dept. of Homeland Security (http://www.dhs.tv/). Just what the "war president" needs to keep the "propaganda war" on terror fresh in the minds of every swing voter in the country. www.chippydog.com/nader.html Posted by: chippydog at February 27, 2004 09:27 AM | PERMALINKAs I commented the other day on my own blog, I sure as shit hope there's a backlash, if the preznit has the gall to show up there after how he's behaved since that day. Posted by: Michael at February 27, 2004 09:29 AM | PERMALINKWould help if i included Froomkin's link, no? It's like he's taking credit for 9/11. Who thought that one up? Posted by: scarshapedstar at February 27, 2004 09:32 AM | PERMALINKHopefully there will be no wardrobe malfunctions at the convention.
Sorry. Posted by: Talking Wall at February 27, 2004 09:34 AM | PERMALINKThe whole things sounds like it was written by Huxley parodying the future. The only thing missing is a crown of thorns.
I understand the GOP has cancelled Janet Jackson for the halftime show. Posted by: peBird at February 27, 2004 09:35 AM | PERMALINKSome of these guys at GOPHQ are completely tone-deaf, but there won't be a balloon drop at the WTC. Hell, even I'd vote for John Kerry if they pulled that crap -- and then watch him give his 2008 acceptance speech in the nuclear slag heap of Seattle. Riiiiight! Because everyone knows how Bush has been such a competent and spectacular success in the war on terror. I'm sure if we just gave him another 4 years and the middle east will be as calm and mellow as a southern belle tea party on a summer's day. Posted by: Gryn at February 27, 2004 09:35 AM | PERMALINKKerry needs to frame the debate: Or is that something only Howard Dean would have the guts to say? Posted by: Carl at February 27, 2004 09:37 AM | PERMALINKit's GOPalooza! GWB's the headliner and he'll parachute to the stage out of an Apache helicopter (which he'll fly part of the way there of course). then he'll climb a mock Empire State Building and fend off scale models of hijacked jet liners with one hand. then he'll do "Born In The USA", "Boot" and "Bomb Iran" before falling to his knees on center-stage, lit by a single spot-light where he'll receive the crown of thorns from Cheney. Posted by: cleek at February 27, 2004 09:37 AM | PERMALINKWhy be subtle? I want dancers. Hot, sweaty Republican women jumping all over the stage followed by the C-I-C entering in his flight suit. --Dan Posted by: Dan at February 27, 2004 09:42 AM | PERMALINKWhat's up with thinking that a Dem wouldn't fight terrorism? You think Bush putting our military resources in an unneeded war against someone who wasn't an imminent threat isn't hurting our opperations in Afganistan? For heavan's sake, the president of Afganistan has to come begging Washington, hat in hand practically, for help to finish the job Bush started. Karzi is basically the mayor of the capitol and warloards are running rampant around the country side. I never did get why that job didn't get finished. Bush has foreign policy ADD- good at starting things, very bad at seeing them through. Can we get the Prez some Ritalin? Please? I gotta believe that Lee Greenwood and Toby Keith are going to be part of the show, singing some faux-patriotic songs and waving the flag... Posted by: peter jung at February 27, 2004 09:45 AM | PERMALINKI wonder if Ozzie's Giant Toilet is available, the one that he used to crawl out of onto the stage. Really, if he does a stunt at 9/11, I'm going to show up with a big old cow and paint 9/11 on its side and milk it while Bush babbles. (That's symbolic, you see...) Posted by: Dumbo at February 27, 2004 09:46 AM | PERMALINKI wonder if Ozzie's Giant Toilet is available, the one that he used to crawl out of onto the stage. Really, if he does a stunt at the WTC, I'm going to show up with a big old cow and paint 9/11 on its side and milk it while Bush babbles. (That's symbolic, you see...) Posted by: Dumbo at February 27, 2004 09:46 AM | PERMALINKToo bad they can't get Leni Riefenstahl to film it. Kelly Ann Fitzpatrick, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Condi Rice, Christie Whitman Versus I think I will go with the Republicans. Posted by: keiser at February 27, 2004 09:49 AM | PERMALINKMore likely an unannounced visit to Iraq, where Bush "heroically" discovers Osama's hiding place personally ("I was right about Osama and Iraq too" he proclaims). No reporters allowed to see that it is the US embasy where Osama is found in a holding cell. Bush is wearing his new special forces outfit (presumably with 6 highly visible stars). Osama is then executed at Ground Zero with Bush personally pulling the lever, the day before the presidential election. Posted by: Tom at February 27, 2004 09:50 AM | PERMALINKi heard the reischstag was booked that day. Posted by: jesuschristmas at February 27, 2004 09:55 AM | PERMALINKOn "Born in the U. S. A."--they'll just play the chorus. The rest of the song isn't all that flattering. Michael Moore's Canadian Bacon was a bad movie but it had one good scene in it: when John Candy and his little crew of ne'er-do-wells are driving north to wreak vengeance on Canada, they try singing "Born in the U. S. A." They sing the chorus repetitiously as their cheerful expressions change to frowns of bewilderment: they can't remember a single word of the song aside from those four. I don't think there's much chance of this stunt's taking place, but
if the Republicans decide to go for it, they'll have to get martial law
declared over the whole of Manhattan. A teensy Stonehenge with a Dwarf Dancing Around it. Posted by: Monkey at February 27, 2004 09:56 AM | PERMALINKThe Mayor and Governor asked both the DNC and RNC to have there convention in New York, as a symbol of the Nation standing together. IT WAS THE DNC AND TERRIE MCAULLIFFE WHO BALKED....THEY SAID THEY WOULD ONLY HAVE THEIR CONVENTION IN NEW YORK IF THE REPUBLICANS WERE EXCLUDED. So get over yourselves. You will have Peter Yarrow, Hanoi Jane, and the crowd. Posted by: Kesier at February 27, 2004 09:56 AM | PERMALINK"The Passion of the Chimp" How about a real five ton chandelier which drops onto the podium when Chimp gives his acceptance speech? Maybe that would be mean. I'm appalled I wrote that. (Good theatre. The ultimate Bush Bash!) Posted by: Augmented4th at February 27, 2004 09:57 AM | PERMALINKWell Kevin, I think you're right on the money. They've lost their touch here. Too much living in the bubble. Having been a Republican, I can tell you that part of the problem with that party is that everyone is of similar backgrounds and beliefs (what does that say about me?), and they all spend a lot of time talking to themselves. They've probably convinced themselves that any opposition is merely fringe. Bush would be a fool to use 9/11 as a backdrop. It is blatent misuse of a national tragedy. If they do this, a million people will be out on the streets. There will not be enough police to keep the crowds back unless they use massive force -- and that will be what's played on TV. We will probably see a million people out on the streets anyway. I felt when they did it that holding the convention in New York was a serious mistake. As time marches on, I'm more and more convinced of that. They've made their bed -- now they must lie in it. Posted by: Tony Shifflett at February 27, 2004 09:58 AM | PERMALINKI like the "passion of the presnit" so long as it's true to the ending of the original story. Posted by: jack at February 27, 2004 09:58 AM | PERMALINK“Now, we’ll go to the deck of the USS Intrepid as the U.S. Marine Corps Band plays the National Anthem.” Huh. Is this sort of partisan use of the military expected and allowed behaviour in the US? Speaking as a UKian, I'm pretty sure for say Tony Blair to arrange something like this at a Labour Party convention would be considered an abuse, and might even be against the law. (Fine if it was happening as a Prime Ministerial visit, but not for a political rally.) But I guess things are different over the pond? Posted by: Hobnob at February 27, 2004 09:59 AM | PERMALINKIs there any way that we can get Bush strapped to some cable so he can fly around the event, out over the crowd? Maybe they'll have Cheney do a kick ass drum solo... Posted by: JoeF at February 27, 2004 10:05 AM | PERMALINKTony, I admire your courage in admitting your dark past as a former Republican. What turned you around- was it a single incident, or the cumulative weight of the party's intellectual dishonesty? Posted by: peter jung at February 27, 2004 10:06 AM | PERMALINK"a fog machine would be good too. It goes great with stages that rise up..." Great idea. And speaking of rising up, why not bring on Elvis as a special added attraction. Have him parachute in, like in that "Married in Vegas" flick. Posted by: Slothrop at February 27, 2004 10:10 AM | PERMALINKIs there any way that we can get Bush strapped to some cable so he can fly around the event, out over the crowd? Like a pinata? Cool! Posted by: chris at February 27, 2004 10:12 AM | PERMALINKMr. Bush needs to hire the folks from the WWF to set up the convention. They have experience targeting the very segment of the population that Bush is trying to appeal to. And they know how to work pyro and fog to really get the mullet-heads on their feet. But he should avoid the guy that set up the Blue Blazer's rigging. Posted by: Austin Mayor at February 27, 2004 10:12 AM | PERMALINKAwesome! It'll be just like a KISS concert! Only without all the subtlety and refinement. Posted by: Ed Zeppelin at February 27, 2004 10:17 AM | PERMALINKWhy stop with just a speech at "Ground Zero"? I'm thinking of an actual digital recreation of the catastrophe itself, live pyrotechnics and Bush standing in the center of the spectacle, watching from a platform of concrete formed by mixing cement with actual ashes of the human victims. No wonder the White House is abbreviating the 911 Commission's work and refusing to cooperate with its investigators. Rewrites are expensive. No common horror is too large to be appropriated for private, political gain. It's like they've all been to a secret clinic at which whatever part of the brain that feels shame is excised. The one Joe McCarthy went to. These people really will stop at nothing. They look so normal, though--well, except for Cheney--that it's like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." Posted by: Brian C.B. at February 27, 2004 10:17 AM | PERMALINKWhy do a traditional acceptance speech at all? Why not a Powerpoint? Posted by: Robert E at February 27, 2004 10:20 AM | PERMALINKdrip, drip, drip In Search of the President's Missing Years By MIMI SWARTZ Published: February 27, 2004 Houston Over the past few weeks, President Bush has responded to recurring questions about his National Guard service by saying that the subject is old and tiresome. According to Mr. Bush, reporters conducted a thorough investigation of his time in the Texas National Guard when he ran against Ann Richards for governor in 1994, and again when he ran against Al Gore in 2000. The complete Guard records, the president told Tim Russert on "Meet the Press," were "scoured." This came as news to me, as I lived in and reported from Texas during those times and feel that questions about the story — Mr. Bush's life story — linger 10 years after his first political victory. Why they linger is a more complicated question, one that has as much to do with the press as it does with the president. Good stuff, worth a read... Posted by: dm at February 27, 2004 10:21 AM | PERMALINKI like what is at blah3 about this. http://www.blah3.com/graymatter/archives/00001046.html
This is exactly what I thought they would do at the convention,
overreach. Go all the way, Karl! Be creative! It will help you win!
Complete cluelessness about how it will really play. They've blown the
'patriotism' card play from day 1. Hmmm This overreaching on the part of the Administration is perfectly understandable when you consider that none of them have empathy. Nor empathy's cousin, compassion. These folks only know how to appeal to the baser instincts since those are the only ones they have personal experience with. Anything more, and they have to fake it. And when they start faking it, those among us with the fuller range of human emotions can tell. Google "sociopath" Posted by: chris at February 27, 2004 10:31 AM | PERMALINKPeter jung It was the cumulative weight of many, many things. Below are my issues with that party: I'm fiscally conservative. The party's really gone off the rails on that. I'm a social liberal. Gays and lesbians should have the right to marry. Don't like it? Don't participate. I'm also for drug legalization. Again, don't like it? Don't participate. WE COULD TAKE A REAL BITE OUT OF CRIME IF WE TOOK THIS STUFF OUT OF THE BLACK MARKET, AND JUST TAXED IT. Don't like abortion? No one's forcing you, if you're a woman, to have one. The Iraq war. It's wrong and immoral to do elective wars. I fully supported the Afghanistan war. General concern for the poor and unfortunate. Despite what Sean Hannity and others say, Republicans don't give a shit. I feel the same way about this as I would've in the 50's regarding institutionalized discrimination. It harms society and the economy to have an underclass. I'm agnostic/atheist in terms of religion. Go to a Republican Party meeting sometime. They start out with prayer. Lockstep ideology. Deviate from the party line, and you're considered an idiot. I like to explore new ideas intellectually, and, let me tell you, Republicans ain't big on that. Unless an idea's almost 300 years old, it's not got a shot in the Republican Party. Finally, a general uneasiness over the different types of people that support the Republicans. My first job out of undergrad was working for the RNC -- almost 100% white in a city of great diversity. I was a precinct captain for the Republican Party, and found at the meetings more or less the same deal -- ditto for party supporters. Since I've lived in the Washington area, I've developed, ahem, a REAL AFFINITY for women of color. Republicans seem to be uncomfortable with people from other backgrounds. Some, not all, have a real fear of differences. In short, it was a lot of things. George W. Bush was the last straw. My last effort in the Republican Party was trying to make McCain the candidate, and I faced a lot of crap from the party organization over that. I was a good worker bee too. My precinct is/was heavily Democratic, but when I was the Republican precinct captain, we were organized, and the precinct reported an average of 35% - 38% Republican vote over my eight years or so of management. I got ALL POTENTIAL REPUBLICAN VOTERS TO THE POLLS. Since I resigned, I'm pleased to report a collapse to 23% - 25% over the last several years. They still call me from time to time, trying to get me to come back. After I left, I went through a transitional phase of calling myself a Libertarian for about six months. I've come to realize that I'm a conservative Democrat on economic issues, and socially very liberal -- and that ain't gonna fly over there. I think there are more like me too. Posted by: Tony Shifflett at February 27, 2004 10:32 AM | PERMALINKSmoke, pyro & lasers, all very good suggestions, but let's not forget the human element. I see dancers, sequined costumes, slick choreography, lots of flash moves. (Of course George will have to lip synch, but he's used to that.) Maybe some flying, too. (Get me Foy, stat!) An entrance from the back of the hall in a mock-up jet fighter rigged to move over the head of the audience to land on the stage dressed to look like the deck of an aircraft carrier. George gets out in his Super-Dave-style spangled red, white and blue flight suit and gives everyone a big thumbs up while the dancers do their "Mission Accomplished" routine. It'll kill. Posted by: Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) at February 27, 2004 10:35 AM | PERMALINKPicture the Two Towers of Light rising from the ashes and fog...spot light in the middle where you see a stage rising from underground. In the middle of the stage, the Preznit on his knees in prayer, sword by his side. Then, another stage rises and on that stage, Osama Bin Laden with a scimitar. The two of them lock in mortal combat. Just when the crowd can take no more, Bush runs Osama through with his sword and kicks his crumpled body off the stage to the strains of Handel's "The Messiah". Posted by: Baseballgirl at February 27, 2004 10:37 AM | PERMALINKThis is the Wellstone Funeral (or at least the way the media reported it ) all over again, but for the Republicans. It will be catastrophic if the Republicans exploit 9/11 so brazenly for partisan gain. Posted by: Elrod at February 27, 2004 10:37 AM | PERMALINKTony:
The truth about where Bush was in 1972: "If they do this there will a million people out in the streets." If the Republicans continue along these lines, they are creating a situation which could make Chicago '68 look like a walk in the park. Just remember, Karl: "The whole world is watching." Posted by: fbg46 at February 27, 2004 10:44 AM | PERMALINKA tattoo parlor in my neighborhood advertises inks that glow under utlraviolet light. Bush rips off his shirt and...awesome. Posted by: Brian C.B. at February 27, 2004 10:46 AM | PERMALINKDid anyone on this thread mention the proposal to have a human chain around ground zero as a protest? Posted by: Marky at February 27, 2004 10:50 AM | PERMALINKThis overreaching on the part of the Administration is perfectly understandable when you consider that none of them have empathy. Nor empathy's cousin, compassion. These folks only know how to appeal to the baser instincts since those are the only ones they have personal experience with. I disagree, I think the proper diagnosis is Narcissistic Personality Disorder. The external differences between them are subtle both are characterized by complete lack of empathy, but sociopaths have active antipathy for others. Sociopaths generally are not liked by anybody, but narcissists have a superficially pleasing appearance as long as you don't criticize them. The current theory behind NPD is a mix of both environmental and genetic causes. This page shows that descriptions from a book about 6 year olds apply equally well to narcissists. Here's a few choice ones...
Interesting eh? Posted by: Gryn at February 27, 2004 10:51 AM | PERMALINKTony, Gryn, Awesome! Explains a lot. (Read Gryn's post, Al.) Posted by: chris at February 27, 2004 10:54 AM | PERMALINKFact-check on the DNC/NYC spat: The DNC proposal specified that no city could continue to bid on the Republican convention after accepting the Democratic bid. This clause was not specific to New York City; it reflects the DNC's belief that a city can't effectively host both conventions in a single year. Posted by: Bryant at February 27, 2004 10:57 AM | PERMALINKAnd don't forget the pyrotechnics. And please, plesas, please hang some foam insulation from the... No, I shouldn't go there. Posted by: fightingdem at February 27, 2004 10:59 AM | PERMALINK"Once Bitten, Twice Shy", fightingdem?
Come on New Yorkers and the million who should come to The City from across the nation. Make NYC Chicago 1968 if the repugs try any stunts. They're coming into enemy territory. The mix of repug delegates and true patriots in the streets should reek of a NY Islander vs. NY Ranger hockey game. Bring it on!!! The world is watching. Posted by: Cairns at February 27, 2004 11:05 AM | PERMALINKCheney could borrow that drum kit from Tommy Lee that flipped upside down. Of course, he'd have to be playing the drums in a speedo. Posted by: Stoffel at February 27, 2004 11:11 AM | PERMALINKTony, Spooky. I'm a Democrat for the same reasons. The socially conservative right has too much influence on the Republicans. I find it easier to put up with the left-wing loonies in the Democratic Party. At least you can talk to most of them. They aren't glassy-eyed, like most of the cultural right wing. That said, I've been known occasionally to vote for a moderate Republican over a hard-left Democrat. The Bush Administration has been an unmitigated disaster. This year's choice is not difficult. I'm honestly not sure the Republic can survive four more years like the last four. Posted by: Malloy at February 27, 2004 11:12 AM | PERMALINKMaybe the RNC could have their rank and file dress up as victums of the Sept. 11th attacks, bury themselves under Ground Zero, and as Pres. Bush accepts the nomination they spring from the ground and break out into song and dance singing Bush's praise. That would be the show stopper. I'm surprised no one has said it: "STONEHENGE..." Posted by: random at February 27, 2004 11:19 AM | PERMALINKThis is AWESOME, and something I know a little bit about. For $140M you can put on a kick-*ss show! If I was snarky I'd say he could go with Pink Floyd's "The Wall," and build it up without ever tearing it down. But, no, let's be serious. Think America and 4th of July. Flags, and buntings, and a big video wall that shows scenes of happy little white kids, soldiers, birthday parties. Fog is good. I want Bush coming up out of the fog. The could fly him off at the end, too. We need the synchronized spots with gobals and lasers, cool in the fog. They could replay some speech's of Reagan, maybe get a simulcast video of him sitting at home watching. Dang, I could really get off on this. Posted by: Tripp at February 27, 2004 11:20 AM | PERMALINKKevin As a stagehand, I would recommend dry ice fog instead of a regular fog machine so the fog lingers on the ground and it will look like GW is walking on clouds. Why not add to his Christ-like status with some on the right? Oooo! ooo! And Saddam tries to sneak up on him to whap him on the head with a folding chair! But our brave leader dodges at the last second, Saddam over-swings and W picks him up and gives him a pile-driver. Get that WWF vote! His exit of course, will be in a NASCAR car. Posted by: random at February 27, 2004 11:24 AM | PERMALINKI'm visualizing "Triumph of the Will" Posted by: Ignobilitor at February 27, 2004 11:30 AM | PERMALINKBaseballgirl That was a truly hilarious post. I must have laughed for 10 minutes straight. Posted by: Roland at February 27, 2004 11:34 AM | PERMALINKEvery camera angle should feature a Bush Halo from off-stage lighting. Posted by: Aziz at February 27, 2004 11:35 AM | PERMALINKI think they should have Arnold and George W in matching Conan outfits, sword fighting a bunch of Arabs to victory at Ground Zero. Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft, Donald Rumsfled, and Condoleezza Rice can form a chorus line in the background, ala the Rockettes, and high kick in spangled US flag outfits while Toby Keith's stupid song about kicking ass. Then they can drag Saddam Hussein to the front of the makeshift stage in an iron cage, kind of like King Kong in the 1970s movie, only he's wearing a t-shirt that says "Just say no to gay marriage.". Arnold can help George climb up on top of the cage to give his acceptance speech and at the very end, as the audience erupts in cheers, someone can let the "madman" out of his cage and the whole audience will run away and scream in fear until George the Savior "captures" the drugged Saddam and chops his head off. And Bloomberg can announce that they've decided to call the WTC memorial "The George W. Bush Memorial Site" to express the republicans' appreciation to all those people for dying and giving Bush a platform to run on in 2004.
I hope they do it. In fact, I dare them to. The idea of using Ground Zero as the back drop for their politcal boloney is disgusting. They seem more and more out of touch with reality every day. Posted by: sean at February 27, 2004 11:38 AM | PERMALINKKesier: Don't be stupid. There are ugly republican women and hot democratic women, too. Would you rather see Phyllis Schlafly or Stephanie Herseth? Barbara Bush or Jennifer Granholm? Maureen Dowd or Bay Buchanan (imagine Pat a little thinner in drag)? Posted by: CatM at February 27, 2004 11:43 AM | PERMALINKBush may just be the biggest recruiter for the Democrats ever. Chris, That will be one more qualification Dubya can add to his resume along with "best recruiter for Al Qaeda". Azul ps Dubya could do a sketch of Boris (I am invincible!) Grichenko from Goldeneye! Posted by: Iwish at February 27, 2004 12:01 PM | PERMALINKBush may just be the biggest recruiter for the Democrats ever.
GRYN Did you know that Bin Laden is believed by some phsyciatrists to have narcissistic personality disorder also. Fog would be a nice touch, but to be really effective, it's gotta have that 9/11 stench which we Brooklynites lived with for so many weeks... And fluttering bits of charred confetti would be cool, too. Let's really go back to that day! (apologies if this has already been posted -- I searched on smell, stench, and odor, and none came up) Posted by: Frank at February 27, 2004 12:31 PM | PERMALINKNote to Karl: a frog marching would be good too. Posted by: Chabo at February 27, 2004 12:32 PM | PERMALINKWill they be turning the volume inside up high enough to drown out the cries outside of enraged gays, 9/11 families? Posted by: Bob H at February 27, 2004 12:35 PM | PERMALINKCome on New Yorkers and the million who should come to The City
from across the nation. Make NYC Chicago 1968 if the repugs try any
stunts. They're coming into enemy territory. The mix of repug delegates
and true patriots in the streets should reek of a NY Islander vs. NY
Ranger hockey game. Bring it on!!! The world is watching. Eric Cairns is in the house! Eric, I saw your gutless act in last night's game... and how Purinton turtled and you were given 27 penalty minutes. Then on the power play when you were off the ice, the Rangers scored. Nice move! That makes 6 wins in 6 games for the Rangers this year. Anyway, for those of us who live in NYC, we look forward to the GOP convention. I plan to counter-protest, with my "Anti-war = Pro-Saddam" sign! Should be fun... Posted by: Al at February 27, 2004 12:58 PM | PERMALINKAl, It'll be a hoot ! As a World Trade Center surviver I am horrified by the notion that Bush would give his acceptence speech at Ground Zero. This is such an insult. It is so overtly political. I'm outraged. Posted by: Noreen at February 27, 2004 01:02 PM | PERMALINKDid you know that Bin Laden is believed by some phsyciatrists to have narcissistic personality disorder also. Kinda makes ya wonder doesn't it. Tom, I wouldn't be surprised by that. Narcissists are drawn to power like flies to honey. They often feel they are "chosen" for such roles. In particular they will be grossly overrepresented in dysfunctional cultures that place no or little value on results and where blatent mendacity goes unchecked (they are excellent liars). This means that they tend to be proportionally represented in results-driven arenas like science, but comprise a larger relative portion in realms like management and politics. They epitomize "knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing". Posted by: Gryn at February 27, 2004 01:08 PM | PERMALINKWe should let them try it . We should let them do it. The blowback for desecrating thst site would be so enormous. We should let them reap the whirlwind of the American people's disgust with them Posted by: Debra at February 27, 2004 01:12 PM | PERMALINK"Political Convention to Hype Incumbent Candidate! Film at 11:00!!" Is this really news? What's next? "Rumor has it there will be a balloon drop!" And remember, just because something he does pisses a leftist off doesn't mean it pisses everybody off. Posted by: tbrosz at February 27, 2004 01:29 PM | PERMALINKIt's always fun to see who pops up in these threads to defend the indefensible. Posted by: JakeV at February 27, 2004 01:36 PM | PERMALINKI know that planning for protests at the GOP convention is in full swing... does anyone know if anyone is organizing a defense of the WTC site (I don't care for "Ground Zero")? A few hundred thousand people could fill the streets around the site for several blocks and deny access. Posted by: grytpype pronounced grit-pipe at February 27, 2004 01:42 PM | PERMALINKtbrozz, do you want to see Bush doing some ghoulish ceremony at the WTC site? Posted by: grytpype pronounced grit-pipe at February 27, 2004 01:43 PM | PERMALINK>for those of us who live in NYC, we look forward to the GOP convention Oh, yeah. I'm looking forward to it. Big time. It's going to make February 15 2003 look like nothing. Posted by: grytpype pronounced grit-pipe at February 27, 2004 01:46 PM | PERMALINKJohn Kerry says he probably won't go see the PASSION OF THE CHRIST because he fears the Death and resurrection of Jesus is Anti-Semetic?? SAY WHAT?? Posted by: Keiser at February 27, 2004 01:51 PM | PERMALINKI hear the during the convention they will reveal the monument to the people who died on Sept 11th. It will be a small granite tablet in the center of ground zero which states simply: IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! President Clintons message to those who lost their lives and loved ones on Sept 11th. Posted by: kEISER at February 27, 2004 01:53 PM | PERMALINKAs a stagehand, I would recommend dry ice fog instead of a regular fog machine so the fog lingers on the ground and it will look like GW is walking on clouds. Or, better yet, use liquid nitrogen, it's more controllable than dry ice. Bush's acceptance speech doesn't, strictly speaking, have to be at the WTC site itself. Rather they can use a blue screen as a background and have the WTC site projected behind him. And why stop there? They could also do Baghdad "Shock and Awe" footage, photos of his and Laura's wedding ... why limit oneself to a real setting? The possibilities are endless. Posted by: David at February 27, 2004 02:03 PM | PERMALINKI'm planning on skipping "The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre" just cause I'm not into slasher flicks. Posted by: Tripp at February 27, 2004 02:05 PM | PERMALINKOK. The Bush Friday atrocity is in: http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=US_Budget
OK, they can make it threatrical if they want to, but keep Justin Timberlake off the stage. I do NOT want to see GWB's nipple jewelry. Posted by: mwb at February 27, 2004 02:08 PM | PERMALINKI hear Senator John Forbes Kerry will once again re-enact his heriocs in Vietnam, like he did while having free time in Vietnam to film a re-enactment of himself. I can't wait. I want to hear him repeat his words to the Harvard Crimson: I’m an internationalist,” Kerry told The Crimson in 1970. “I’d like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.” Kerry said he wanted “to almost eliminate CIA activity." Then he will movingly remember his 1989 vote in the Senate when he voted AGAINST giving the death penalty to international terrorists who kill Americans. It should be quite a tear jerker. The entertainment (things to look for): Toby Keith performs, with a surprise appearance by Joe Scarborough An animatronic Lee Greenwood is wheeled onto the stage to "sing" Greenwood's only hit, "I'm Proud to be an American" (a little known fact, but Greenwood was killed 15 years ago when his beard became caught in a juicer; ever since he's been replaced by various impersonators on those few occasions when anyone showed any interest in having him perform) Ted Nugent whips out a bow and arrow, and uses large cutouts of Bin Laden and Jacques Chirac for target practice. He then has sex with a 15 year old. Mel Gibson leads the audience in the Lord's Prayer, spoken in the original Aramaic. Dennis Miller and Anne Coulter do a hilarious version of Abbott & Costello's "Who's on First" sketch Posted by: Gunther at February 27, 2004 02:21 PM | PERMALINKAND IN A MOVING TRIBUTE TO AMERICA... Then when they finish mocking the Iwo Jima Memorial....the press plans to cut to the Republican children who will read the names of the 7,000 Marines who died on Iwo Jima as a sign of respect and honor. IT SHOULD BE STIRRING...... Almost as good as Bill Clintons speech, which I hear will be sponsored by Cialis. Posted by: Keiser at February 27, 2004 02:22 PM | PERMALINKThey can call the spectacular "The Triumph of the W". Posted by: ST at February 27, 2004 02:25 PM | PERMALINK"Then he will movingly remember his 1989 vote in the Senate when he voted AGAINST giving the death penalty to international terrorists who kill Americans." Keiser, Good for him (however, I recall hearing him say he repudiated that stance. I don't have a link, and I could really be wrong on that). I consider myself a Christian, and don't believe that governments should kill people. It's really difficult for me to believe that God or Jesus supports the DEATH PENALTY! Sure, God was all about stoning, drowning, burning and slaying people in the Old Testament, but I'm pretty sure the Resurrection changed all that. For those who don't believe the OT/NT story, pick and choose your own position on the death penalty. But for those who profess to be Christian, I think you're seriously wacked if you support it. Posted by: nashvegasdawg at February 27, 2004 02:49 PM | PERMALINKAs every Boy Scout is taught, What were the daily body count numbers in 1971? keiser, now, run along. dinner's ready. Posted by: cleek at February 27, 2004 02:52 PM | PERMALINKAND IN A MOVING TRIBUTE TO AMERICA... John Kerry plans to re-enact the cover of his book..THE NEW SOLDIER. The cover of the book "The New Soldier" shows members of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) imitating the famous photograph of U.S. Marines raising the American flag on Iwo Jima. In their pose, the American flag is carried upside-down, a symbol of disrespect according to the rules of flag etiquette. Isn't there a German word that, roughly translated, means "The sudden dreadful realization that what you thought was a clever, witty and sharp observation actually reveals oneself as a completely dull, insipid and vacuous human being devoid of any insight. The tedium of your existance now being so transparant to everyone that you must resort to puerile debasement of those you had previously tried to impress in order to salvage what little is left of your dignity."? Those Germans have words for everything! Posted by: Gryn at February 27, 2004 02:56 PM | PERMALINKApparently Keiser believes that one must hold the same opinion no matter what experiences one has gone through. eg: Kerry went to Vietnam in support of his country, and even though he witnessed the horror of war and the futility of that particular war, he is duty bound to support his government's position no matter what the facts. (Note: supporting one's country is not necessarily equivalent to suppporting the goverment. eg.: Johnson, Nixon, to name a few.) Similar to, I suppose, your continued support of Bush's War, despite the primary/main/only reason pushed by the Administration for attacking Iraq was because of the iron clad existence of WMDs, which turned out to be a complete mistake/hoax/sham/subtrifuge. Okay, I get it. Posted by: nashvegasdawg at February 27, 2004 02:57 PM | PERMALINKLOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!! Now where's the childrens's table ? . . . Posted by: Keiser at February 27, 2004 02:58 PM | PERMALINK>>Those Germans have words for everything! Yes, Gryn. I think the word you're thinking of is "asshole." From the German "ass" and "hole." Completely appropriate for Keiser. Posted by: Keiser at February 27, 2004 03:01 PM | PERMALINKwhere are they going to find 7000 GOP children who can read? Posted by: Wanderer at February 27, 2004 03:11 PM | PERMALINKI think they need a cool light show/hologram thing at ground zero, creating a scene with the ghosts of the victims flying around. Bush can be saying something about gettin the terraists, and the ghosts can chant, 'get the evil doers, vote for bush, avenge our deaths,remember us'. Posted by: Conrad Enabler at February 27, 2004 03:22 PM | PERMALINK"Almost as good as Bill Clintons speech, which I hear will be sponsored by Cialis." Ahem. I think you'd better remember which 1996 presidential candidate did a TV commercial for Viagra, boyo. Posted by: wensleydale at February 27, 2004 03:24 PM | PERMALINKKelly Ann Fitzpatrick, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Condi Rice, Christie Whitman Versus I think I will go with the Republicans. Posted by keiser at February 27, 2004 09:49 AM | PERMALINK God, I hope you are sterile. Hillary has a very sexy laugh, I find. Smarter than those others, too. Posted by: scissors at February 27, 2004 03:39 PM | PERMALINKLook let's juts say it...we hate Keiser. We hate to have our patting each other on the back for hating Bush interrupted. We don't want to have to defend any argument..we don't want any debate. Well, let me amend that,, we can debate one thing......who hates Bush the most..but nothing else. So keiser, go away, you pest. But let me agree with scissors on this one.... """Ahem. I think you'd better remember which 1996 presidential candidate did a TV commercial for Viagra, boyo.""" Yes, but Senator Dole was a war hero and Clinton is a draft dodger,
so remember, we hate people who didn't serve in combat now...this
week...right this second....unless Edwards starts winning..then we won't
care again. I agree with Gryn that we are looking at Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I had reserved judgment in this direction, until George W. Bush claimed to have done more for civil rights than any Legitimate President. This claim seems outlandish, but for a pathological narcissist it would be "normal" behavior. Rather than try to be the best at something, the narcissist will often simply declare himself the best. There was already plenty of evidence but, as I say, I waited for that whopper before deciding to settle on the inference. Other evidence we already had include * The way Bush's people keep him surrounded only by gung-ho supporters. These people form a "mirror" in which Bush sees himself as loved and admired. * The way "bad news" is kept from Bush. This is more of the same. * The way Bush repeats his father's deeds and tries to go one better (Iraq, going to Mars, etc.). * Bush's supposed belief that he is his deity's chosen leader in a time of peril. * Bush's habitual lying. * Bush's skill at presenting a false face of niceness, honesty, dependability, etc., while plainly, to those who are on the lookout, he is actually insulting people, lying, falling down on the job, etc. * Bush's way of treating his family as tools. Most notably using his young daughters as an excuse for why he tried to hide his Maine drunk driving conviction. Etc. There is probably more that I've cited in the past, but this is enough to give the idea. Posted by: Barry Schwartz at February 27, 2004 03:59 PM | PERMALINKI think we're just used to better trolling than that. It's ok, momma still loves you. Posted by: scissors at February 27, 2004 03:59 PM | PERMALINK""""Of course, Keiser will now question the patriotism of those commies at the American Legion''' As far as I can tell it has only been Democrat candidates that call people unpatriotic, unamerica, etc. Actually it was John Kerry who protested the National Guard Association and said he would never probably never join the VFW. Just try and get some facts straight. Actually the VVAW and John Kerry voted to REMOVE the American flag from their offices.... I had reserved judgment in this direction, until George W. Bush claimed to have done more for civil rights than any Legitimate President. This claim seems outlandish, but for a pathological narcissist it would be "normal" behavior. Rather than try to be the best at something, the narcissist will often simply declare himself the best. Barry, Ayup, there's also plenty of evidence is "The Price of Loyalty". I was particularly struck by the president saying he was "bored" by O'Neil talking about the boring economy affecting all those boring people. I'd say that what O'Neil didn't get is that a Narcissest is completely incapable of maintaining any interest in subjects that don't involve themselves. If he had been more like Rove he would of gotten his interest by focusing on how making certain economic policy decisions would make Bush look good, steady and showing leadership or whatever. Posted by: Gryn at February 27, 2004 04:10 PM | PERMALINKAs far as I can tell it has only been Democrat candidates that call people unpatriotic, unamerica, etc. Oh come on. Stop listening to grassy knoll radio. The extreme right's favorite hobby is dubbing their political enemies as "communists" and "unamerican". I recall that Cheney, in an [b]official speech[/b], insinuated that those questioning the ?yellowcake claims? were unamerican. Oh, and the VFW is a bunch of predatory extortionists. They've already extorted $10,000 for "savings accounts" from my senile grandfarther. *grumble* They won't let us see the paperwork. My gut feeling is that if he dies with that money in the accounts, it reverts to them. But what can we do? Unless we declare him incompetent, which we don't want to do, then we're stuck. Clinton was a Draft Dodger And Bush was...what? It was not uncommon for Rhodes Scholars to evade the draft... Posted by: Sandals at February 27, 2004 04:22 PM | PERMALINKGeorge W. Bush, Profile of a Sociopath Manipulative and Conning Grandiose Sense of Self Pathological Lying Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt Shallow Emotions Incapacity for Love Need for Stimulation Callousness/Lack of Empathy Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency Irresponsibility/Unreliability Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility All this talk about narcissistic personality disorder makes sense of something that occured on 9/11 for me. I remember seeing the president being notified of the first plane striking while he was talking to some children in an elementary school. To me he seemed to hardly take notice which I thought was a bit odd. He doesn't strike me as the cool calm and collected type. However when you attribute that to a narcissistic personality it makes sense because "it" wasn't about him. He only got concerned later when he heard of the possibility of an attack on the white house or capital (him) that he showed concern. By, of course, flying as far from danger as his 747 would take him. Posted by: Tom at February 27, 2004 07:15 PM | PERMALINKConsidering our massive deficit, support programs that have been drastically cut, the Hopefully YOUR Child Won't Get Left Behind Program, betrayal of our military while they are in harm's way 9severe cuts in benefits and HAZARD pay, the FACT that the American people have been sold out to Bush contributers as evidenced by the ban on Canadian meds and drilling/logging allowed in landmark areas, I really can not see that bashing ANY Democrat work work for you Keiser. Bush and Cheney loots our country and Iraq and then refuses cooperation with investigations but yet both have bank accounts in the tropics that are there for no more than tax loopholes that they have NEVER paid taxes on...those two have no business calling themselves Patriotic because the only color they answer to is GREEN. FACT in '99 Cheney played around with the tax rules before leaving Haliburton to loot America and ended up finding additional dodged that totalled Haliburton with 44 instead of 9 and they pais almost NO tax for that year...think about that when you get your tax return. Ashcroft has used the Patriot Act to try to quell organized protests, to run a muck with spying on every day citizens...now hw uses it to invade privacy to subpeona medical records on an abortion witch hunt. These are the guys you admire? Sad...very sad... Posted by: Myst at February 27, 2004 08:20 PM | PERMALINK""""Oh, and the VFW is a bunch of predatory extortionists""" Thanks!, That goes a long way to explaining why Kerry has now become a life member. Posted by: keiser at February 28, 2004 04:18 AM | PERMALINK""""Profile of a Sociopath""" I was amazed at how closely this resembled our President....that's our last President.. """To me he seemed to hardly take notice which I thought was a bit odd. """" Actually it was perfectly normal...when we firt heard of it we thought it was a tragic accident...it wasn't until the second plane that we realized it was terrorists. But Bill Clinton said that as soon as he heard the FIRST plane hit the Tower, HE KNEW IT WAS BIN LADEN......Funny how he spent 8 years doing nothing about Bin Laden..but what can you expect from a sociopath. Posted by: keiser at February 28, 2004 04:21 AM | PERMALINKAnyone get the feeling that Myst is a conspiracy theorist?? Let's see, Actually candidiates and their surogates: Clark called Bush unpatriotic, Kerry called Bush unpatriotic, compared his to a deserter, said he was unamerican.....Kerry's wife called Bush un-american and a terrorist...Kerry called republicans terrorists. Micheal Moore at a capaign event accused Bush of desertion. McAulliffe said Bush was AWOL and didn't server his country. Can anyone honestly show me any quotes from I am not talking about talking head personalities, but actually people in the campaign...on stage with the candidate. I thought not.. Posted by: keiser at February 28, 2004 05:09 AM | PERMALINKAnd another thing....why do so many Democrats support Bush?? Ed Koch says he's voting for Bush. Zell Miller says he's voting for Bush. Even Chris Mathews has said he wouldn't support anyone who supported Hanoi...which I gues means he can't vote for Kerry. I think the following proves I am right about who is slinging the patriotism drivel: The claim that Democrats are targets of a political low blow by being labeled unpatriotic has become a Democratic refrain. It's been used by Senate minority leader Tom Daschle, Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, and presidential candidates Dick Gephardt, Wesley Clark, and Howard Dean. Kennedy was upbraided by Republicans in September for claiming Bush had concocted the Iraq war for political gain. His response: "There's no question that this White House sees political advantage in the war. And you can see it in the way they attack the patriotism of those who question them." But nobody called Kennedy or any other Democrat unpatriotic. Bush
didn't. Senate Republicans didn't. House majority leader Tom DeLay
denounced Kennedy, but didn't accuse him of a lack of patriotism. In
this and every other case in Democrats said he insinuated they were unpatriotic during the congressional debate on a department of homeland security in 2002. But what Bush actually said in a speech was merely that "the Senate" was "more interested in special interests . . . and not interested in the security of the American people." And there was evidence to support the charge. Democrats controlled the Senate at the time, and they voted against Bush's version of the new department 11 times, precisely because it weakened the prerogatives of a Democratic special interest, labor unions. There is, however, one political figure who's been accused time and again of being unpatriotic: President Bush. The accusers? Democrats. Graham said Bush's Iraq policy is "anti-patriotic at the core, because it's asking only one group of Americans, those soldiers in Iraq and their families, to pay the price of the occupation." Kerry was harsher. In a candidate debate last September, he said Bush "lives out a creed of greed for he and his friends. I'm tired of seeing chief executives be permitted to take their millions or billions to Bermuda and leave the average American here at home stuck with the tax bill. You know what I call that? Unpatriotic." Democratic presidential candidate Al Sharpton complained of Bush, "Real patriots don't put troops in harm's way on a flawed policy." And Dean has questioned the patriotism of Bush's attorney general, John Ashcroft. GAME SET MATCH.... Posted by: keiser at February 28, 2004 05:17 AM | PERMALINKHe is unpatriotic, dildo, we're not. Get it? Thus your difference. Gamesetmatch (nice shorts). Posted by: scissors at February 28, 2004 06:40 AM | PERMALINKScissors reveals the lefts true feelings: ""He is unpatriotic, dildo, we're not. Get it?"""" Ahh, so I guess when a Republican like John McCain, Colin Powell, Tom Ridge claims you are questioning his patriotism...Kerry's answer will be , WHY YES, I AM. I guess scissors believes we should have a debate on who is more patriotic...sounds good to me...but then don't complain about it. Don't complain when Republican bring up the fact that Kerry protested our Soldiers, don't complain when we bring up the fact that Kerry agreed to remove the American flag from all VVAW offices...don't complain when we bring up the fact Kerry associated with known Communist sypathizers like Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden....and don't complain when we bring uop the fact that the Liberals wanted AMERICA TO LOSE THE VIETNAM WAR...AND DON'T COMPLAIN when we bring up the fact that liberals did everything they could to defund South Vietnam abnd leave them open to slaughter. And don't complain when we bring up the fact that Kerry oposed the bombing of Lybia becasue he thought it was too hardsh becasue they had only killed a few Americans..and don't complain when we bring up the fact that Kerry opposed most of the weapons system our troops are using, that he voted to send them into battle and then oppose paying for their support during the battle To Be Continued... Posted by: keiser at February 28, 2004 07:08 AM | PERMALINKPowell is a house uh, negro. Ridge is a tool. McCain is tolerable. And, Kerry is correct, those soldiers did kill babies, rape girls, etc. Cry me a river, sucker/soldier. Not my problem. Keiser, can you tell me where we can find "Lybia" on a map of planet Earth? Posted by: The Dark Avenger at February 28, 2004 08:08 AM | PERMALINKFriends, What bothers me about these plans isn't whether they will do them or not, but rather what it shows us about Rove and Neo-Republican intentions. The thrust here is classically fascist, in all it's elements: it's demogoguery, it's blatant patriotic manipulation and it's Neurenberg evocation of scale. Just remember "shock and awe" is just American for "blitzkreig". It's important. eric Posted by: eric blackstead at February 28, 2004 09:26 AM | PERMALINK""""Keiser, can you tell me where we can find "Lybia" on a map of planet Earth"""" Sure, I'd be glad to help...Lybia is right where it has always been. Now can you tell me what John Kerry and Howard Dean are saying when they use the word 'IDEAR'? I have no IDEAR what they are saying? Posted by: keiser at February 28, 2004 11:20 AM | PERMALINK9/11 commission could open a can of WHOOP ASS ON JOHN KERRY AND BILL CLINTON: If the commission does its job, it will be John Kerry who comes out looking bad. John Kerry has been one of the leading liberal Senators in Washington’s ongoing attempts to gut intelligence spending and handicap US intelligence gathering capabilities. Of course, any discussion of intelligence failures has to begin with Clinton-era budget cuts. Kerry was complicit in those cuts. In fact, he felt they weren’t deep enough. He wanted to go much deeper. In 1997, Kerry questioned the size of the intelligence community saying, “Now that [the Cold War] is over, why is it that our vast intelligence apparatus continues to grow?” Of course, after 9-11, Kerry is no longer asking such shortsighted, ignorant questions. Three times between the years 1994 and 1995 Kerry tried to cut intelligence spending by $1 billion to $1.5 billion dollars. And in 1993, Kerry proposed a whopping $45 billion in cuts in science, intelligence and defense spending. Furthermore, Clinton and Kerry ushered in new restrictions to limit the CIA’s use on live human assets; that is to say, spies. Just think … if Clinton and Kerry hadn’t had their way, would September 11th, 2001 have been just another SUNNY DAY. In addition the Commission should look at how Clinotn relaxed our immigration policies allowing all these Osama terrorist agents into the country. AHH, BUT I GUESS WE WILL BLAME BUSH BECAUSE HE WAS MANAGING A BASEBALL TEAM THEN AND TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR NATIONAL SECURITY. Posted by: KEISER at February 28, 2004 12:52 PM | PERMALINKYou folks know that if you keep feeding the troll he will NEVER go away, right? Maybe if you ignore him he will go back to burning books, taking dictation from his neighbor's dog, or preparing for the arrival of the mothership. Posted by: Eric Paulsen at February 28, 2004 02:34 PM | PERMALINKI'm curious if Kevin has any control over the format of the comments. If, for instance, the name of the poster were put at the *top* of the comment instead of at the end, it would be *much* easier to skip over the annoyances of Keiser and Al and others. (I'm assuming that individual filtering is not possible.) Not that I *hate* them, of course, one has to know someone pretty
well to really, honestly *hate* them. To me they're just pests, like
flies in summertime, and I'm interested to know if there are ways to
swat them or at least chase them away. Ohh, I get it...we are only supposed to comment if we want to totally agree with everyone else. Then why do you call yourselves 'pundits' why not robots?, or better yet parrots?...or clones? Posted by: keiser at February 28, 2004 02:45 PM | PERMALINKKeiser Are you saying that because he momentarily believed it was only a ,tragic accident, it was "normal behavior" if he hardly took notice. If you think that is "normal" perhaps you are a narcissistic personality also. Posted by: Tom at February 28, 2004 06:06 PM | PERMALINKKeiser, That's funny. If you disregard ALL of the above, you act like a troll. And being a troll is a bad thing?? I thought we were open and accepting of all lifestyles...are you an anti-troll bigot? Posted by: kesier at February 29, 2004 04:04 AM | PERMALINKAnd being a troll is a bad thing? When self-mockery is pervasive and Bush adoration overwhelms common sense, then the answer is yes. 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