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February 25, 2004 LIFE AT THE TOP....I saw this story earlier today about how well senators did in the stock market but didn't pay much attention to it. Sure, they did way better than us ordinary schmoes. And yeah, they even did a lot better than top corporate executives, beating the market by 12% compared to the execs' 5%. But who knows? Senators are probably able to hire pretty good financial planners, aren't they? Maybe it's all completely innocent. But then there was this:
Uncanny indeed! Maybe somebody should bring a class action suit against the entire senate. And quickly, before they pass some kind of tort reform bill that makes it impossible.... UPDATE: Mark Schmitt expresses some doubts about this study here. Posted by Kevin Drum at February 25, 2004 08:56 PM | TrackBackComments
Yep. Kinda makes you wonder. Maybe all stock transactions by public officials should be broadcast instantaneously on the net. But, they'd probably find a way to beat that, also. Posted by: bobbyp at February 25, 2004 08:59 PM | PERMALINKHell, let's get a copy of their investment portfolios and cash in! Posted by: citizen lehew at February 25, 2004 09:03 PM | PERMALINKMaybe this is how george is such a popular president? Posted by: smalfish at February 25, 2004 09:04 PM | PERMALINKAs a body in a class action lawsuit Senators would be able to invoke sovereign immunity. But not as individuals liable for prosecution for insider trading. It would be hard to argue that Senators who sit on committes that influence the regulatory agencies and DOJ do not have prior access to information that would affect the stock prices of companies that they have invested in unless their investments were in a blind trust. Executive branch officials must fill out a phone book sized stack of conflict of interest forms and undergo an FBI background investigation. Congress sets their own ethics requirements which I'm fairly sure are less stringent by comparison. Hmmmm...I wonder how Senator Kerry did in the market this year..... Posted by: mark safranski at February 25, 2004 09:11 PM | PERMALINKKerry probably didn't do much better than Cheney. After all, he doesn’t have millions in deferred compensation from a company benefiting from the war for the entertainment and enrichment of Republican elites. Posted by: Lori Thantos at February 25, 2004 09:13 PM | PERMALINKNo, Kerry has about $ 400 million, roughly speaking about ten times Cheney's net wealth, which of course Cheney actually earned ( to the extent that any CEO earns that kind of cash)unlike Kerry. Posted by: mark safranski at February 25, 2004 09:17 PM | PERMALINKCheney "earned" his money? He provided only one service to Halliburton: he was well connected enough to ensure that they could dig their snouts deep into the patronage trough. Cheney's money represents nothing more nor less than graft. If you have evidence that Kerry's money is equally dirty, you are welcome to share – or you can stop slandering those who have more honor and integrity than the entire Republican Party. Posted by: Lori Thantos at February 25, 2004 09:20 PM | PERMALINKI just saw a report on PBS market show.The showed an intresting
stat.College stocks fell after the justice department was investigating
those with connections to anti war groups. ...which of course Cheney actually earned,,, Ah yes, the wages of corruption and influence, of profiting off the death and destruction of others. Yes, I'm sure he's worth every fucking bloody cent. Posted by: four legs good at February 25, 2004 09:32 PM | PERMALINKThis just goes to show you when senators buy stock Wall Street listens. Senators are the smart money out ahead of an on-coming trend. They are tried and true bellwethers for market success. Wall Street only buys when senators buy, sell when senators sell. We should pass a constitutional amendment giving senators all the Social Security fund money to invest in the stock market! We're in the money ........ The skys are sunny ..... Posted by: Carswell at February 25, 2004 09:44 PM | PERMALINKRegarding Kerry: The $500 (not $400) million belongs to the wife, not to him. She had it before they were married, so it's hers, not his. And she hinted that ther is a prenuptial agreement to that effect. If they divorce, he doesn't get half. No way. Regarding senatorial trading: The cake goes to Hillary, who invested $1,000 in commodity futures and turned it into $100,000 (see link). Caused quite a stir a while back. You can be sure this will come back big time were she ever to run for president. Posted by: JS at February 25, 2004 10:30 PM | PERMALINKAs a financial advisor myself, crap like this really cuts to the core. The costs society incurs due to insider trading is horrendous and so easy to prevent in the vast majority of cases. The country's president is in a position that he is going to undoubtedly come across information that could be used for profit that is not available to the general public so all investments are held in a blind trust. Not infallible but I will tell you that I am not putting my career at stake for any small group of clients and those advisors that do are in for a short career. Any person that it can be reasonable to assume would come across information of this type (senators, congressmen, corporote officers, etc.) should be using the same vehicle of a blind trust to remove most all questions of dishonesty. One only has to look at the Martha Stewart situation to realize that the connected of this country do not only have the means to gather information on their own company but of any company within their circle of cronies. Posted by: Randy at February 25, 2004 10:33 PM | PERMALINKBut Randy, as long as insider info exists and someone has it, it will be used for illegal gains by someone. There is no way around that. There will always be insider trading -- you simply cannot track all possible links between insiders and their relatives and friends. So even if you cut out all politicians via blind trusts, "the costs society incurs due to insider trading", as you put it, will still be there, as long as there is a market. Posted by: JS at February 25, 2004 10:42 PM | PERMALINKYes JS, I will admit that it doesn't eradicate the problem by any means and chances are it never will be, but it is a rather simple way to take some of the temptation out from those of power. There are those in the industry that feel that any inside trading should be deemed legal because it is simply the capitalist system at work, I happen to disagree and find any simple way to reduce the pillaging of the public by our elected and corporate leaders as a step forward. There may still be crime but there is less crime and I personally feel that is a good thing. Posted by: Randy at February 25, 2004 10:51 PM | PERMALINKI don't understand, I thought when you were rich that makes you a better person. so if Kerry is richer than Cheney he must be better than him? Darn, where is that republican philosophy leaflet when I need it! Posted by: bryan at February 26, 2004 12:36 AM | PERMALINKWhat you fail to understand, Kevin, is that, unlike here, among the yellow and brown people of Asia and Latin America, corruption is endemic. ENDEMIC. Posted by: epist at February 26, 2004 12:55 AM | PERMALINK"Hell, let's get a copy of their investment portfolios and cash in!" I'm seeing an idea for a website forming. "See Cheney's steaming hot portfolio in action! Watch as Hillary trades her pants off! Full and uncensored! Click here for a free preview. Click here to get instant access." Think about it. $500/year subscription to get up to the minute access to the trades of every politician in Washington. We'd make a killing. Posted by: keith taylor at February 26, 2004 02:07 AM | PERMALINKWell, Duh! Hillary is in the Senate now, she's probably giving out advice on day trading. She IS a genius at turning small sums into huge fortunes overnight, after all. 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Posted by: Bruce A. at February 26, 2004 04:52 AM | PERMALINKScene: A secret hideaway inside the white house, Dick Cheney and George Bush enter scene left, naked and sweating, they've obviously been fucking. The president walks with a limp. Cheney: So what we need to do here, sock puppet, is get the news out to loyalists, that Kerry fellow is a degenerate gigolo type. George: right, and he's screwing his way through money that should be ours sir, Republican money! Cheney: Damn straight, why the hypocricy just makes my stomach turn, why if he was a real democrat he would be seducing one of them brown people and living off their welfare checks. George: How'd his wife get the money anyhow? Cheney: Why, she inherited it! George: OOOH, that's the good kind of money. It seems just a real shame to see it going to a bounder and a cad like that fellow. Posted by: bryan at February 26, 2004 06:01 AM | PERMALINKIt would be fascinating if the records could be made public. The law requires "insiders" to post their intention to sell/buy their own stock. Perhaps a similar requirement for members of Congress would be a good idea. For those who are determined to make this a partisan issue, read the article. This cuts across the aisle. (If you want my pet favorite, look at Frist's investment in HCA. His profiteering from his Father's/Brother's company makes Hillary look like a kid playing tidily-winks. Blind trust, my ass....) Posted by: defrimjob at February 26, 2004 06:03 AM | PERMALINKToo much is made of congressional greed. This is America, free enterprise exultant, capitalism triumpant, 225 years of rampaging greatness, a dog-eat-dog country founded on giving and taking bribes and the belief that too much is never enough. We all benefit from a tradition that Congress must not forget. Posted by: Harry Lime at February 26, 2004 06:06 AM | PERMALINKI'll be the first to admit that the unusual returns Senators are getting is suspicious. And I strongly believe this needs publication and investigation. HOWEVER, the results of the Ziobrowski study are tautology. If the Senators are beating the market by 12%, its a given that the stocks they buy will outperform the market. And the stocks they sell will not. If this wasn't true, they wouldn't be beating the market. Posted by: Proper Response at February 26, 2004 06:13 AM | PERMALINK'Scene: A secret hideaway inside the white house, Dick Cheney and George Bush enter scene left, naked and sweating, they've obviously been fucking. The president walks with a limp.' Ha ha, I guess you think that's funny dont you bryan. well it seems kesier really had youre number, he knew you did it with a yak! Not so happy-go-lucky now are ya?! Now it may be true that the president is gay, but that doesn't mean he isn't the man in whatever relationship he is in, I think I covered all this matter very well in an earlier thread, so here it is: Look, the fact of the matter is that George Bush is Jesus Christ. Think about it, why else would the name be pronounced Jeebus when it ain't spelled that way. That out of the way I can get onto the revealing to all of you poor heathen sinners the truth of how the world works (not that you deserve it). George Bush is Jesus. His disciples are uhm, the bald mean looking guy with the glasses, the mean looking guy who looks like a convict with the glasses and the grey hair, the grey guy who could be black with a melanin injection, sexy sexy Condi Rice - uh, I mean, the virgin Terminatrix, and the rest of those folks. their good. Anyway, so George Bush is Jesus, and this is where all you people are gonna have to get your stories straight (no pun intended) because Jesus is so gay it's not even funny. Really have you ever seen Jesus wave when he's walking back and forth from the heaven-copter, that's a gay wave, and he had sex with a turkey, I have pictures that I store on my intarweb - free membership for 29.95 a month. Have you noticed how much he likes dressing up in costumes, heh? Baby got a bit of broadway musical in her, you know. And that's why I think we're gonna have to get down with the gay. Because we want the kids in school to learn about Jebus so they can be afraid of God. Because if you do bad stuff, like drugs or not work overtime without pay, okay, God will send Jebus to saddamize you like he did to the Iraquamites - Books Of Jebus 09 11.
In any event, all stock market participants do substantially better under Democratic presidents (12% vs. 2% per annum, according to Wall Street Week with Fortune), so even greedy Senators should be pulling for a Dem win in Nov. Posted by: BobNJ at February 26, 2004 06:35 AM | PERMALINKUm ... Could we please see a breakdown of the "Senators"? Without the break-down, this strikes me as a partisan attack piece. This doesn't say which senators performed well, only that "Senators" performed well. It may very well be true that ALL Seantors performed well, but it's also possible that way more Repuiblican Senators beat the average than Democratic Senators (or vis-versa). I think this is an attempt to slime the entire Senate in an effort to attack the credibility and integrity of the eventual Democratic candidate (as both Kerry and Edwards are Senators). Far fetched? Not really. Posted by: dfitzsim at February 26, 2004 06:48 AM | PERMALINK Did Ann Coulter have Botox? Check it out http://www.rageblog.com LOL Posted by: TakebackAmerica at February 26, 2004 06:55 AM | PERMALINKI enjoy Calpundit because most of the time liberal commenters here are an intellectual cut above those on other sites...and then there are those days when things must be slow over at Atrios Ah, Cheney, why couldn't you have gotten your millions the way Barbra Boxer, Jay Rockefeller, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry did ? The only acceptable millionaire is apparently a socialist millionaire who married or inherited their wealth. Posted by: mark safranski at February 26, 2004 07:02 AM | PERMALINKYeah Mark, a man of Bush's abilities would have gotten into Yale and Harvard and become a millionaire, governor of Texas and the president of the United States -- even without the family name and connections. Uh huh. Keep on telling yourself that. Posted by: Librul at February 26, 2004 07:08 AM | PERMALINKFrom a review of his history, George Bush hasn't shown himself to be competent at anything except providing the sperm to produce a couple of hotties. And even that took Laura's help. Posted by: chris at February 26, 2004 07:31 AM | PERMALINKMark Safranski: I'm not sure I understand your point. I've reread Kevin's post and the NYT article it was based on, and I don't see any mention of partisanship or liberal/conservative comparisons. Just a straightforward observation that senators, as a group, seem to be unusually astute investors. That seems worthy of note, and additional investigation, don't you think? Mentioning that some senators inherited their wealth sounds like a non sequitor -- since it has nothing to do with insider trading and is perfectly legal. Posted by: scottd at February 26, 2004 07:38 AM | PERMALINKWait a minute, there are those in the upper echelons of power who think all insider trading should be legal? I'm not surprised but they have forgotten one of the requirements for a perfect market -- perfect information. Why bleat on about the power of markets to fix everything when you want to do away with one if the founding principles? Oh yeah, I already know the answer to that one. Posted by: heet at February 26, 2004 08:05 AM | PERMALINKScott, Do you actually read the posts here ? Go re-read my first post. My subsequent posts replied to the screechy attacks on Cheney by other posters and their double-standard regarding acquired wealth. The first part applies to any senator, left or right. Then I took a shot at Kerry because he is However, you could apply this standard to Edwards too or any other senator, left or right. Executive branch officials like Cheney have a different set of conflict of interest laws to operate under - very stringent ones I might add - despite the charges loosely hurled here on a regular basis by the ignorant- if you work for the WH or executive branch at an appointed level your portfolio had better be squeaky clean in legal terms. ( Morality and letter of the law being separate questions of course) Posted by: mark safranski at February 26, 2004 08:07 AM | PERMALINKWhat forum would hold hearings on something like this? Posted by: Carl Nyberg at February 26, 2004 08:20 AM | PERMALINKA couple of things, first, the article in the NY Time, reprinted from the financial times clearly states that there was no difference between dems or republicans. Second, this study was 8 years in the making, so it is unlikely that the study itself is aimed at current dem hopefuls, though it's possible that the reporting has an agenda. It seems to me that the powers that be would be delighted to know that ordinary folks would be rooting around for a partisan component of this story. We are being played for fools. Posted by: dan at February 26, 2004 08:34 AM | PERMALINKLori, couple of points: Dick Cheney's holdings are in a blind trust Last time I looked, the deferred compensation from Halliburton was being donated to charity. It won't benefit Cheney. Posted by: Jane Galt at February 26, 2004 08:52 AM | PERMALINKHalliburton money donated to charity. And this won't benefit Cheney? Does Cheney decide which charity gets the money? Then he can change his mind? So Cheney can call-in favors with said charity, right? So donating the money to charity does benefit Cheney, it just doesn't enlarge his bank account directly. Posted by: Carl Nyberg at February 26, 2004 08:56 AM | PERMALINKCheney said that any profit from his selling of Halliburton stock will be donated to charity. NOT HIS DEFERRED PAYMENTS. http://www.thetip.org/art_395_icle.html Posted by: jillian at February 26, 2004 09:23 AM | PERMALINKKerry and his supporters are such hypocrites: This scion of a Boston Brahmin family that made its fortune from the China trade is now accusing "Benedict Arnold companies and CEOs" of exporting American jobs. Then he turns around and borrows 6.5 Million for his campaign claiming his house in Boston is worth 12.8 million, but even the city of Boston only assess the house at 5.6 Million. He gets a sweartheart loand where he only has to pay INTEREST for the first TEN years..... AND THEN GOES AROUND CLAIMING HE'S FOR THE LITTLE GUY AGAINST THOSE MEAN RICH PEOPLE. and you people suck it up like babes at the teat. Seems to me, the thing to do is to have someone set up a mutual fund that indexes stock trades made by senators. Kerry and his supporters are such hypocrites:. . . and you people suck it up like babes at the teat. Nope. Kerry is disgusting vermin. But I would vote for a stale donkey fart if I thought it would get Bush out of office. Bush has proven now, that his only differentiating factor is on picking sides in the Culture War. He's not a true capitalist, not a fiscal conservative, and has been a miserable failure on foreign policy and security. The only difference with Kerry is - he's not pandering to the religious right. The larger problem is our two-party system. The inner-circle of the DNC and RNC will be the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes. Or something like that. What the Republicans don't seem to grasp is that there is NOTHING worse for freedom and capitalism than corporate welfare. If welfare doesn't make workers on the lower end of the wage scale more competitive, it certainly doesn't make our corporations more competitive. And when our money runs out, THAT is when the foreign competition is going to kick our asses. Because these corrupt execs at Boeing, Halliburton, Enron, Worldcom (and dare I say; Clear Channel?) have built their enterprises off of suckling the government teat, and milking the system for taxpayer dollars. And we wonder why they can't stay profitable and competitive without a handout? These jackasses should be cut off, so they'll learn to actually compete. Posted by: Occam's Cuisinart at February 26, 2004 10:27 AM | PERMALINKI agree with keiser, I used to respect kerry when I thought his house was worth 12.8 million, but then I found out if was only a measly 5.6, who the hell is that jackass trying to fool. walking around, all nose in the air, look at me, look at me, my house is super-expensive, what a fake. George Bush has a nice house, that bald guy who's always hanging around in the background with a menacing air probably has a super nifty cave of evil, what does kerry have? In today's economy I think anyone that doesn't have a house worth at least ten million, or knows someone with a house worth ten million that they can rob, is a loser. Posted by: Blaise Cassidy at February 26, 2004 11:05 AM | PERMALINK"The only difference with Kerry is - he's not pandering to the religious right." Yeah, just every one else. Waffles, anyone? Posted by: Jason at February 26, 2004 11:29 AM | PERMALINK"And we wonder why they can't stay profitable and competitive without a handout? These jackasses should be cut off, so they'll learn to actually compete." Great! I agree. Let's apply the same logic to welfare and any other government handout! "The only difference with Kerry is - he's not pandering to the religious right." No, he's pandering to the secular left. How long do you think it will be before Kerry Actually, Mark is being disingenuous. No one mentioned Cheney's Halliburton proceeds before his post. The truth is that the "attack" on Cheney was in response to his insinuation that Kerry, in particular, was doing something unethical. Cheney seemed an appropriate target for response because a) he holds the second highest office in the land, and b) his wealth is obviously a direct product of his government service. The notion that Cheney earned his money is laughable; the record shows that what Cheney brought to Halliburton was the ability to get government contracts – the scope of Halliburton's contracting for the US doubled in the five years under Cheney. It isn't as if Cheney had any other experience to recommend him for the job. Mark, lacking any evidence, wants to smear Kerry, but pretends that there is something outrageous about pointing out that Cheney's money came from the sleazy, incestuous relationship between government and the military industrial complex; one that is particularly evident with Republicans. The problem isn't that there is a double standard here from
Democrats; the problem is conservatives, who continually whine about the
size and cost of government, defending the unethical and expensive
relationship between ex-government employees and government contractors.
On the other hand inheriting or marrying money, like a good
Republican, is somehow suspect, but only if one is a Democrat. I wonder
if that qualifies as a double standard? An IPO is divided up by stock marketeers based on whatever they want to base it on. They decide who is lucky and who is not. To keep their accounts, everyone has their lucky days, and everyone with an account keeps pace, or better, with the market. It can be very crooked. Posted by: RWC at February 26, 2004 02:54 PM | PERMALINKI just love it when people say Bush is not a fiscal conservative...COMPARED TO WHAT?? They said the same about Reagan....but Reagan won the cold war....HOW MUCH WILL THAT SAVE IN LIVES AND DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT TWO HUNDRED YEARS. I know Kerry says their was no Communst threat...but ask someone who actually lived under Communism. Clinton ran up as big a debt as Reagan and what did we get to show for it???? World worse off than when he started. Sure I guess Bush could have let the economy tank into depression after 9/11, we could now have 11-15% unemployment....we could have allowed the terror states to still be marching forward. Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Syrai, Iran have ALL started to turn the corner. Let me ask, just what would have been the cost if Saddam put a Korean
Nuke on two of his missile and launched one on Tel Aviv and one on You guys never stop to think of the dog that didn't bark. As to the notion of "blind trust," without seeing the details we are left with nothing but the word of someone with a rather sketchy history. For those who have trouble reading, I did not say, "there is no blind trust." What I am saying is that details matter. There was no direct connection with Halliburton before when Cheney was warmongering under the elected Bush either, and there was a three-year gap before Cheney started raking in the bucks. Anyone who thinks that the story ends with this blind trust is either naïve or a Republican drone. There will certainly be enough time between Cheney's outer and his
reward for the conservative media to be disinterested in the facts, but
that won't change the fact of the reward. I agree with Safranski. If certain people weren't here, this thread would be much more interesting. Posted by: Al at February 26, 2004 05:07 PM | PERMALINKSince we're already off-topic about Cheney's investments.... How about the legal, but absolutely rotten fact that he wrote off a donation to Texas A&M of $9 million worth of Halliburton stock options. Of course, the options had not yet matured and became absolutley worthless in 2001, but Dick still got to claim their full value on his tax return. Just another perfectly legal rip-off available only to the rich. Posted by: def rimjob at February 26, 2004 05:08 PM | PERMALINKI agree with Safranski. If certain people weren't here, this thread would be much more interesting. You know I do too. That keiser guy, for example, running off at the mouth with posts that boast a wildly imaginative view of the world. They are slightly entertaining, but are less so (and less informative) than an hour (20-year-old prime time soap opera) Dynasty. Or a take poster whose entire contribution is to whine about others posting at all. What a waste of space. Back to the point, def rimjob points out just how sleazy the charity angle turns out to be. It isn't that he hasn't donated the money, but the government is subsidizing him to do so. A few million in tax write-offs here, a few million there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money. Talking about Cheney's ethics is like talking about Madonna's virginity. Neither one has existed for quite some time. Posted by: Lori Thantos at February 26, 2004 05:36 PM | PERMALINKBefore we get too worked up I'd like to see the details of the study. I suspect that even in the Senate wealth is fairly concentrated. So if this was done on a value-weighted basis you could easily get this result from just a few large and very successful investments by handful of Senators. Outperforming by 12% is spectacular, yes, but this was just one five-year period, and one that saw probably an abnormal number of huge gainers in the market, so it's hardly implausible that this could have happened legitimately. It's interesting that their selling seems to show no signs of inside information. Posted by: Bernard Yomtov at February 26, 2004 05:47 PM | PERMALINKHEINZ KERRY WALMART DUPE AS WELL HEINZ BLASTS WAL-MART; OWNS $1 MILLION IN STOCK, PURCHASED BULK IN '02 Teresa Heinz Kerry blasted WAL-MART last week week -- but an investigation reveals she has over $1,000,000 in WAL-MART stock, and purchased a ton of it throughout 2002! MORE "Another thing that drives me crazy, and I hope I don't offend anyone here, is WAL-MART," Mrs. Kerry told a group of Democratic women activists at a luncheon in St. Paul last Tuesday. "They destroy communities." Teresa Heinz Reality: H.J. Heinz III Marital Trust Wal-Mart Stores Inc. 04/04/02: Purchase: $500,001 - $1,000,000 Ahhhh, they name is HYPOCRITE
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