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February 11, 2004

DENTAL RECORDS....This is starting to get comical. Now the White House is releasing Bush's dental records:

Bush's staff provided copies of a one-page record of a dental exam, complete with drawings of the president's teeth, that showed he was at Dannelly Air National Guard base in Montgomery, Ala., on Jan. 6, 1973.

The document is the first definitive evidence that Bush showed up at a base of the Alabama National Guard during a period of about 11 months, from May 1972 to May 1973, for which it was unclear how the president had fulfilled his military service.

So, guys, how about the rest of Bush's file? No dice:

Communications director Dan Bartlett said the White House expects much in the file to already be in the public domain, but added that anything new concerning Bush's attendance in Alabama would be released. But Bartlett -- like McClellan -- was emphatic that the White House had no immediate plans to open Bush's entire file, which would include his Guard medical records.

"These are attempts to troll for personal records for partisan advantage. We're not going to play," Bartlett said. "The goal post is being moved."

The goal post is being moved? From where? I distinctly recall Bartlett's boss telling Tim Russert on Sunday "Yes, absolutely," when asked if he would "authorize the release of everything."

Anyway, what was Bush doing in Alabama in January. I thought he was back in Houston at that time?

Posted by Kevin Drum at February 11, 2004 08:45 PM | TrackBack


Comments

I hope we can at least temper our references to the infallible memory Col. Turnipseed.

Posted by: rd at February 11, 2004 08:48 PM | PERMALINK

Whooops: "*of* Col. Turnipseed."

Posted by: rd at February 11, 2004 08:49 PM | PERMALINK


Wait. I thought Bush didn't show up for his flight physical because his doctor was in Texas?

But he goes in for a dental exam on base in Alabama?

Posted by: Californian at February 11, 2004 08:49 PM | PERMALINK


Col Turnipseed was a dentist, rd?

Posted by: Californian at February 11, 2004 08:50 PM | PERMALINK

Bush said on national television that he would absolutely release all of his military records. Now his spokesman says, forget it, we're only going to give you the parts we want. Must be something really nasty in those records for Karl Rove to veto W's explicit promise to produce the records.

Posted by: bassfish at February 11, 2004 08:53 PM | PERMALINK

Candy may be dandy....

...but cocaine doesn't rot your teeth!

Posted by: caerbannog at February 11, 2004 08:53 PM | PERMALINK

This horse isn't even dead. It left the stable. Now you are beating what he left behind on the floor.

Kevin, it's time to give it up and consider whether an apology is in order. Apparently the documents that show his attendace at drills have been in the possession of democrats.org, one of the principal exhorters of the chase, since 2000. They just well, ...forgot... they had the exculpatory documents.

Kevin, you and your good name have been used. So have we all.

Posted by: John Lederer at February 11, 2004 08:54 PM | PERMALINK

No, the 2000 Turnipseed testimony that he doesn't remember Bush is just the "proof" that people give that he never reported in Alabama. But it appears he somehow slipped through the Turnipseed net! Crafty. Probably the most likely explanation is that he was AWOL but decided to infiltrate an Alabama Air Base to avoid paying for dental treatment. You know those cheap Republicans!

Posted by: rd at February 11, 2004 08:54 PM | PERMALINK

rd, you're terrible, making fun of these leftwing rubes like that!

Posted by: Al at February 11, 2004 08:58 PM | PERMALINK

Release all the records, like Bush promised. Then we'll see where the horsechips fall.

Posted by: Bassfish at February 11, 2004 08:59 PM | PERMALINK

So how many years do you get for falsifying Federal dental records?

I SMELL IMPEACHMENT!!!

Either that or he was really there.

Well, we've invested so much in him not being there that we might as well go all the way, right?

IMPEACH BUSH FOR FALSE DENTAL RECORDS!!!
LIKE WASHINGTON THIS "PRESIDENT" HAS WOODEN TEETH!!!

Posted by: Jaybird at February 11, 2004 08:59 PM | PERMALINK

Could an errrr...unethical person with access to Bush's SSN get access to the files somehow? Just a theoretical question, of course :).

Posted by: Justin at February 11, 2004 09:01 PM | PERMALINK

"This is starting to get comical." Oh... so your "search for truth" was really just trying to get people to jump through hoops in hopes of actually finding something. How cute, how adult.

"Goal post being moved? From where?" hehe... From requesting documentation of service, payroll record, anything? You requested so innocently.

Now, when faced with such records no apology, no oh well nothing there. Rather, it is release more records, maybe we'll find something.

Talk about comical, your fixation is starting to creep me out a little. Find something worthwhile to blog about.

Posted by: machusha at February 11, 2004 09:01 PM | PERMALINK

Don't worry--as long as W doesn't doink an intern or bare his breasts he'll be OK.

Posted by: Bassfish at February 11, 2004 09:02 PM | PERMALINK

Wait a second. Everybody knows Bush was a serious dope and coke fiend, right? And what do you get for some dental procedures? That's correct: laughing gas, maybe even ether in those days.
Damnit! The whole conspiracy comes clear! He WAS
GOING TO ALABAMA TO SCORE. Bring on the independent counsel.

Posted by: rd at February 11, 2004 09:02 PM | PERMALINK

Speaking of Turnipseed, looks like he has vindicated my position, expressed on another thread, that it would be unlikely that he would remember Bush...

Much of the controversy stems from an article in the "Boston Globe" during the 2000 election when the commander of the Alabama unit of the Air National Guard, Brigadier General William Turnipseed, said he doesn't remember seeing Bush at Air Guard meetings in Alabama at that time.

But, in an NBC News interview this week, the general expressed surprise that his remarks caused such consternation. "George Bush wasn't even famous back then, so why would I notice this outsider showing up at a couple of meetings. I just wouldn't."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4242877/

Oh, these poor lefties who blew this AWOL story into their holy "get-Bush" grail. I almost feel bad for them... They keep looking more and more foolish!

Posted by: Al at February 11, 2004 09:02 PM | PERMALINK

No, the 2000 Turnipseed testimony that he doesn't remember Bush is just the "proof" that people give that he never reported in Alabama. But it appears he somehow slipped through the Turnipseed net! Crafty. Probably the most likely explanation is that he was AWOL but decided to infiltrate an Alabama Air Base to avoid paying for dental treatment. You know those cheap Republicans!

Translation: We're really fucking scared.

G'night.

Posted by: Monkey at February 11, 2004 09:03 PM | PERMALINK

That is one of the dates listed on his ARF:

Jan 04 - Jan 06 1973 6 points earned


This is immediately after his Dec 72 drunk driving incident with his father, and began his service at PULL in Houston.

Posted by: Tuna at February 11, 2004 09:03 PM | PERMALINK

They are resorting to the DENTIST defense.

Posted by: 71077345 at February 11, 2004 09:03 PM | PERMALINK

Bush moved to Alabama unit without Air Force permission

New York Daily News.
Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune

Posted by: aReader at February 11, 2004 09:03 PM | PERMALINK

I knew George Washington, George Washington was a friend of mine, you sir Mr. Bush are no George Washington.

Posted by: spotted dog at February 11, 2004 09:03 PM | PERMALINK

I'm importing from another thread here, but it's the same topic. Kevin took some guff before for suggesting that folks actually go to Alabama to read old newspaper archives, etc, and determine whether Bush was actually campaigning on any of the days that the records say he was paid for ANG duty.

I was a little turned off by this at first, but the more I think about it, the more I think it's fair game. Frankly, it's the kind of stuff the right has done for years, only with better funding. Ever hear of The Arkansas Project?

Think about it: trolling for dirt leads to Whitewater and Paula Jones, which leads to a lawsuit against a sitting president, which leads to a perjury trap, which leads to impeachment, which leads to distraction, which also leads to Gore distancing himself from the Clinton legacy in '00, which leads to Florida, which leads to our current situation.

Maybe it's time for an Alabama Project.

Posted by: Whiskey Mike at February 11, 2004 09:04 PM | PERMALINK

Al:Like it or not, this issue is doing body blows to really what is the only thing Bush has to run on..his "trustfulness". It's why he won in 2000, and why he won't win in 2004.

Myself, I don't care. But I think in trying to hide something, they are doing WAY more damage to themeselves than any information could do.

Posted by: Karmakin at February 11, 2004 09:07 PM | PERMALINK

The Bush boosters really are starting to sound pathetic.

Posted by: theCoach at February 11, 2004 09:10 PM | PERMALINK

They have dentists in Alabama?

Posted by: forgetting at February 11, 2004 09:11 PM | PERMALINK

Come on, Repugs. Your man shows up to get his teeth looked at, and that's your "proof" that he fulfilled his drill duties? Gettin' your teeth drilled ain't drillin', dig?

This is starting to look like a repeat of Clinton's definition of "is", only with the dumb GOP redefining and backpedaling about what it means to serve your country honorably.

Methinks the Repugs are running scared shitless, judging by the comments above. They definitely DO NOT want people looking into this story. Cowardly...about as cowardly as President AWOL hisself.

USA Today's growin' some gonads:


Ex-officer: Bush file's details caused concern
By Dave Moniz and Jim Drinkard, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — As Texas Gov. George W. Bush prepared to run for president in the late 1990s, top-ranking Texas National Guard officers and Bush advisers discussed ways to limit the release of potentially embarrassing details from Bush's military records, a former senior officer of the Texas Guard said Wednesday.

Posted by: GW Bush Whacker at February 11, 2004 09:11 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry, rude and crude and couldn't resist...

Posted by: forgetting at February 11, 2004 09:11 PM | PERMALINK

If the guy's clean what possible reason does the WH have for not releasing the entire file? ESPECIALLY after his "I'll release everything" statement just three days ago.

Doesn't take a genius to figure this out. Until the entire record is released we have to assume the guy isn't clean.

Posted by: Binky at February 11, 2004 09:13 PM | PERMALINK

Translations of every post by a winger on CalPundit:

Guys, we're really, REALLY, REALLY fucking scared about all of this, so please stop looking into this, PLEASE!

Posted by: Old Hat at February 11, 2004 09:14 PM | PERMALINK

Karmakin's right--Bushco is channeling Nixon. Mr. Bush, the longer you withhold the records the worse it's going to get. Mr. Bush, we can forgive you for having more interest in sex, drugs and rock & roll than fulfilling your guard duty. Misleading the American people as to your military record is a more serious matter. Mr. Bush, you promised to disclose all the records--have the character to rise above your advisors and keep your promise--this time.

Posted by: Bassfish at February 11, 2004 09:14 PM | PERMALINK

No! I agree! As I said in my post above, clearly the most parsimonious explanation is that *was* AWOL but decided to infiltrate an Alabama Air Base to avoid paying for the dental exam. You've got to watch those coke fiends like a hawk!

Posted by: rd at February 11, 2004 09:15 PM | PERMALINK

Calm down everybody. Bush will be ok, as long as he didn't get busted for coke possession or something like that...ruh roh!

Posted by: nameless at February 11, 2004 09:15 PM | PERMALINK

Wingers should listen to our song "White Lines."

(white lines) vision dreams of passion
(going through my mind) and all the while I think of you
(pipeline) a very strange reaction
(yours to unwind) the more I see, the more I do
Something of a phenomenon, telling your body to come along
Cause white lines - blow away..

Blow! rock! blow!

Ticket to ride a white-line highway,
Tell all your friends they can go my way
Pay your toll, sell your soul,
Pound for pound it costs more than gold
The longer you stay, the more you pay,
My white lines go a long way
Either up your nose or to your vein -
With nothing to gain except killing your brain.

Posted by: Duran Duran at February 11, 2004 09:16 PM | PERMALINK

They have teeth in Alabama?

Posted by: nameless at February 11, 2004 09:16 PM | PERMALINK

Livin' on reds, vitamin C, and cocaine,
All a friend can say is "shit for brains."

Posted by: SJohn at February 11, 2004 09:16 PM | PERMALINK

Y'all could check this article in the Chicago Sun-Times. It's entitled, "Media failed to find facts behind Bush's service record" and has some choice words for those who continue to whack at GWB's service record:

"ut in an interview , Turnipseed states that Robinson's reporting of their conversation was either distorted or based upon his misunderstanding of how the military functioned at the time of Bush's service. For Bush to be "AWOL" or "away without leave," he would have had to have been assigned to a unit and under its command.

"Turnipseed states Bush was never ordered to report to the Alabama Air National Guard. He points out that Bush never transferred from the Texas Air National Guard to the Alabama Air National Guard. He remained in the Texas Guard during his stay in Alabama. This was confirmed by the Texas Guard. And Turnipseed added that Bush was never under his command or any other officer in the Alabama Guard.

"Turnipseed added that Bush was informed of the drill schedule of the Alabama Guard as a courtesy so he could get credit for drills while in Alabama for his service record in the Texas Guard. There was no compulsory attendance.This was also confirmed by the Texas Guard."

There's a lot more there. Now if you don't like the reporter's spin, fine. But you might want to look at the documented facts and quotes.

This "Bush was AWOL!!!!!" meme was as cocked-up, rude, and dishonest as the "Hillary whacked Vince Foster" nonsense. This is exactly the sort of thing that brings American politics lower.

Bush's character is fair game, as is Senator Kerry's. But using falsehoods to impugn either isn't fair, and honest intellectual people shouldn't do it.

Posted by: Steve White at February 11, 2004 09:16 PM | PERMALINK

Ack, that one sentence should be, "But in an interview ..."

Posted by: Steve White at February 11, 2004 09:17 PM | PERMALINK

What's with all the ridiculous trolls?

Posted by: John at February 11, 2004 09:18 PM | PERMALINK

Ah! The infamous rightwing Chicago Sun-Times that used to be owned by the Honorable Conrad Black who got busted for embezzlement! What a reliable source!

Posted by: Duran Duran at February 11, 2004 09:20 PM | PERMALINK

In case you're not having enough fun scratching your head over Bush's dental records, cruise on over to Whiskey Bar, where we're trying to figure out whether that Al Qaeda letter story adds up.

Posted by: praktike at February 11, 2004 09:20 PM | PERMALINK

Honestly, until all the records are made public, Bush defenders cannot claim the high ground. Put all the facts on the table, then let the public decide. Inquiring minds want to know ...

Posted by: Bassfish at February 11, 2004 09:20 PM | PERMALINK

Yea I have to say that the WH behavior in all of this is certainly making this much much worse. Until recently I was pretty convinced this AWOL crap was all nonsense but it is looking more and more like they are trying to hide something.

It seems fairly obvious that if he promised on MTP to release his full records any moron would have been able to advise him to follow through. The honorable thing to do would be to just release the records no matter how silly all of this may be. He's digging a hole...

Posted by: filchyboy at February 11, 2004 09:21 PM | PERMALINK

i recall another interview, the whole "absolutely" thing

Posted by: forgetting at February 11, 2004 09:23 PM | PERMALINK

It's interesting that Scotty wouldn't even allow a reporter to ask why Bush didn't take a physical. How many times do you think the gaggle will ask variations of that question tomorrow?:)
Also, inconsistencies in the various reports demand a fuller accounting rather than clarify the matter. Obviously there's no reason to stop pursuing this story.. well of course, if I were blogging this, I would be anonymous:)

Posted by: marky at February 11, 2004 09:23 PM | PERMALINK

I'll be using the Patriot Act Defense in my comment here: If you didn't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about when they do sneak and peek searches. Interesting how YOUR privacy doesn't mean shit, but George's does.

Posted by: Boggs at February 11, 2004 09:23 PM | PERMALINK

A president who cherry-picked the Iraq intel to argue a war is now cherry-picking his national guard files.

This is to be expected.

Let's hope the national press keeps rubbing his nose in this poop.

Of course, he won't open the files. But his character is being ripped to shreds with the refusal. And I am enjoying the hemoraging.

[Aside: Did you happen to read how the USA soccer team got jeered in Mexico with chants of "osama!, osama!" ?

Another example of how bush has destroyed the global good-will towards our nation.]

Posted by: -pea- at February 11, 2004 09:24 PM | PERMALINK

"These are attempts to troll for personal records for partisan advantage. We're not going to play.... The goal post is being moved."

That proves it! Dan Bartlett is tacitus!

Posted by: dick tuck at February 11, 2004 09:24 PM | PERMALINK

I think when Rove saw Bush say "absolutely, yes", that he must have fucking fucked fuck fucking fuck fucking gone NUTS!
hehehh

Posted by: marky at February 11, 2004 09:25 PM | PERMALINK

Serious question here --- I mean I'd really like a considered opinion on this --- WHY is this pathetic issue the issue that is taking off with the media instead of any of scores of far more serious and current issues where Bush lied and commited crimes?

Posted by: DavidByron at February 11, 2004 09:27 PM | PERMALINK

"In fact, Bush did not even ask for an official transfer until nine days after he moved to Alabama in May 1972.

The Air Force quickly rejected Bush's request, saying the fighter pilot was "ineligible" to move to the Alabama unit Bush wanted - a squadron of postal handlers.

Nevertheless, Bush stayed in Alabama until his Texas commanders finally gave him written authorization five months later to train there."

A million bucks and the guy just decides he wants to move and lets the TANG know about it after the fact!?!

Posted by: Poz at February 11, 2004 09:28 PM | PERMALINK

"... And her voice is sore from shouting,
cheering winners who are losing,
and she wonders if their days are few,
and soon-
they'll have to go......

Posted by: mac at February 11, 2004 09:28 PM | PERMALINK

I'm a baby boomer. I lived through the Nixon adminstration.

It's obvious that Bush has something to hide. He's doing more damage to himself every day by not releasing the records he promised to release. I don't know exactly what he's hiding but I doubt it is only nonattendence in the Vietnam era National Guard.

Bush is going the way of Tricky Dicky, and while the standards of Americans for Presidential behaviour is pretty low, we'll take you down if you lie to us.

Bush is a sinking ship, and the Hounds of Retribution are at his heels.

Posted by: cj at February 11, 2004 09:28 PM | PERMALINK

The much maligned Tim Russert finally earned his journalism merit badge by asking the question. Probably won't see Bush answering press questions anytime soon. God knows what he might agree to disclose.

Posted by: Bassfish at February 11, 2004 09:29 PM | PERMALINK

Notice how the argument has gone from "Bush was AWOL!" to "You said we could look at your X-rays!"

Posted by: rd at February 11, 2004 09:30 PM | PERMALINK

It is comical. And kind of sad too. There is something both sad and a little comical about someone desparately trying to holding on to something (a brief moment of celebrity, for example) that is past recovery. Now, repeat after me, Kevin: "I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille."

Posted by: Kevin B. at February 11, 2004 09:31 PM | PERMALINK

Watching the Bush administration apologists show up for this little party has been fun. Hey folks, I could pretty much win every case that I wanted to if I were allowed to present only the facts that I wanted to. And this has been the M.O. of the Bush admininistration in every one of these "investigations". WMDs? limit the investigation to the role of the CIA in this fiasco, (Pretend that the administration use of intelligence had nothing to do with the problem) 9-11? After intitial lack of cooperation, and then setting a deadline so as not to allow the report to interfere with the election, allow the commission to see only administration "summaries" of the White House reports.

Apparently I missed the part where President Bush told Mr. Russert that he would only release the parts of his military file that appeared to exonerate him rather than the entire file. I'm guessing that Russert and most of the viewers of that program missed that too. But I can see that some of the commenters here must have caught that. Probably in the RNC's short-lived and highly edited campaign commercial from the MTP appearance.

Posted by: Another Bruce at February 11, 2004 09:31 PM | PERMALINK

Serious question here --- I mean I'd really like a considered opinion on this --- WHY is this pathetic issue the issue that is taking off with the media instead of any of scores of far more serious and current issues where Bush lied and commited crimes?

It can fit in a headline, unlike the Halliburton saga. It's a simple story: Did Bush lie about his record? Everything can fit into sound bites. It's also sexy. I'm sure that journalists know about the rumors that Bush was a coke user. A president using cocaine and lying about his record? The self-proclaimed "war president" at that? That's a story.

Plus it's an election year.

Plus the media have been bitchslapped for years now by the White House. They're humans, too, they're probably sick of it and they're probably sick of the patriot act they've had to play to prove their loyalty.

I think that bloggers like CalPundit help keep this story alive. I know for a fact that journalists read Atrios, CalPundit and Talking Points Memo...

Posted by: Old Hat at February 11, 2004 09:32 PM | PERMALINK

I think the issue would probably have faded away if the old boy didn't go on TV and say he'd release all relevent records (or whatever the hell he said exactly).

If nothing else is released before the election, at least the dems can have a good fifteen second blurb of this recent promise for one of their campaign commercials.

Posted by: forgetting at February 11, 2004 09:33 PM | PERMALINK

But using falsehoods to impugn either isn't fair, and honest intellectual people shouldn't do it.

I'm not interested in being "fair". I lost interest in that when the Starr report came out, dig?

I'm interested in seeing Bush lose in 04. If some dirty tricks are pulled, I won't lose a wink of sleep over it.

My position is that 530 American families go to bed every night missing their loved ones due to this "man" in the White House, and his needless war.

If lies are told and they bring him down? Good. I'm in no way picky. Too damned bad.

Fair? Tell that to the kid who lost both legs to an Iraqi RPG because Bush had to have his war.

I think he's hiding something. I think they know it's bad. Good, I'm pleased.

I'm not interested in playing fair. I'm interested in removing a threat to the United States from the White House, using every legal means to do so.

If expressing my opinion that he might have done cocaine while supposedly keeping himself fit for the service the taxpayer paid close to a million dollars for is unfair, then I'm unfair. Something caused him to miss that physical, and I suspect dope. If I'm wrong I will admit it, but I smell a cover-up.

Otherwise, why the stonewall?

Posted by: Monkey at February 11, 2004 09:34 PM | PERMALINK

Avoid going to Vietnam AND get free dental care
AND wear a pretty uniform AND get paid!! But show up for guard duty?? You gotta be joking!!
Let nobody say GWB was a fool, even in his youth.

Posted by: kumar bajaj at February 11, 2004 09:35 PM | PERMALINK

...alright, all you DUmmies try to stay focused until the final paragraph.

The irony is really quite delicious (and tip of the hat to Steve White):


Media failed to find facts behind Bush's service record

February 11, 2004

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB


President Bush has had a rough 10 days, beginning with the Tim Russert "Meet the Press" interview on Feb. 1 of Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe, who charged Bush was "AWOL" and "never served in the military." Only a week later, Bush asked to appear on Russert's show in a clear attempt to stem the damage from these charges. For over a week they were endlessly repeated and never analyzed by the news media.

But the only basis for these charges was summarized by London's Sunday Telegraph on Feb. 8: "If the Vietnam veteran John Kerry becomes the next president, there will be one man to thank above all others: retired Brig. Gen. William Turnipseed."

It all started with a report by the Boston Globe during the 2000 presidential election questioning Bush's National Guard service. Walter Robinson cited retired Turnipseed, of the Alabama Air National Guard, as his source.

But in an interview , Turnipseed states that Robinson's reporting of their conversation was either distorted or based upon his misunderstanding of how the military functioned at the time of Bush's service. For Bush to be "AWOL" or "away without leave," he would have had to have been assigned to a unit and under its command.

Turnipseed states Bush was never ordered to report to the Alabama Air National Guard. He points out that Bush never transferred from the Texas Air National Guard to the Alabama Air National Guard. He remained in the Texas Guard during his stay in Alabama. This was confirmed by the Texas Guard. And Turnipseed added that Bush was never under his command or any other officer in the Alabama Guard.

Turnipseed added that Bush was informed of the drill schedule of the Alabama Guard as a courtesy so he could get credit for drills while in Alabama for his service record in the Texas Guard. There was no compulsory attendance.This was also confirmed by the Texas Guard.

Sen. John Kerry got in on the act on Sunday, asking, "was he [Bush] present and active on duty in Alabama at the times he was supposed to be? I don't have the answer to that question." But as Turnipseed points out, Bush was never "supposed to be" anything in Alabama. And Kerry doesn't have "the answer" because he is taking advantage of a partisan political fantasy that has stayed aloft this long because of the lousy job done by the press in reporting on it.

Now, Robinson is beginning to have second thoughts. His latest column states: "President Bush received credit for attending Air National Guard drills in the fall of 1972 and spring of 1973 -- a period when his commanders have said he did not appear for duty at bases in Montgomery, Ala., and Houston -- according to two new documents obtained by the Globe." How could Robinson have gotten it so wrong?

The most charitable explanation for this distortion is the almost total ignorance the press of the realities of military service and its record-keeping. Yet Turnipseed has been repeatedly called by news organizations since the Globe reporting four years ago, and no one has chosen to correct the errors he has tried to point out or cover his denials.

The most startling aspect of this story is that the press has continually treated this affair as a political debate rather than a matter of fact.

An Air National Guard officer such as George Bush left an extensive paper trail of service. The vital summary sheet of a military record is a simple form called the DD214 or NGB 22. It covers all the basic questions being asked about Bush today. Every military veteran has one.

Kerry has one. On it are listed his dates of service, the nature of his discharge and the medals and service ribbons he has every reason to be proud of. It was filed away at the time of discharge and is almost impossible to alter.

Did a single member of the thousands in the press take the trouble to look up just one DD214 or NGB22 -- President Bush's?

Apparently not. And that is the saddest part of the story.

There was already an exhaustive look at Bush's National Guard records published and available on the Internet to any reporter who has written on this in the last week. None of whom bothered to look it up. It's title? "The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, But Not AWOL, Either." It was "the first full chronology" and concludes "he did accumulate the days of service required of him for his ultimate honorable discharge."

The article included the pasteup pay records just released by the White House. It also included the "two new documents obtained by the Globe" by Robinson.

It was published four years ago in George Magazine. Its publisher was that well-known GOP supporter -- the late John F. Kennedy, Jr.

Thomas H. Lipscomb is chairman of the Center for the Digital Future in New York.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-banal11.html

Posted by: bubba at February 11, 2004 09:35 PM | PERMALINK

"Serious question here --- I mean I'd really like a considered opinion on this --- WHY is this pathetic issue the issue that is taking off with the media instead of any of scores of far more serious and current issues where Bush lied and commited crimes?"

The public and press are finally noticing that the emperor has no clothes. This vignette, though arguably minor compared to other, more monumental transgressions, is emblematic of the flaws in this president. The episode illustrates in miniature the arrogance, lack of basic honesty, and primacy of political concerns over honor characteristic of this administration.

Posted by: Bassfish at February 11, 2004 09:35 PM | PERMALINK

If lies are told and they bring him down? Good. I'm in no way picky. Too damned bad.

Fair? Tell that to the kid who lost both legs to an Iraqi RPG because Bush had to have his war.

I think he's hiding something. I think they know it's bad. Good, I'm pleased.

I'm not interested in playing fair. I'm interested in removing a threat to the United States from the White House, using every legal means to do so.

::Crowd goes wild::

My thoughts exactly.

This madness has gone on long enough. The past three years have felt like a decade.

Posted by: Old Hat at February 11, 2004 09:36 PM | PERMALINK

Unrelated question here: How do you take a quote from someone above and put it at the top of your post without retyping the whole damn thing?

Posted by: forgetting at February 11, 2004 09:36 PM | PERMALINK

"Her face is cracked from smiling
all the tears that she's been hiding
and she wonders pretty soon
everybody's gonna know..."

Oh Yeah

Posted by: mac at February 11, 2004 09:37 PM | PERMALINK

Rut-roh. USA Today story finds secondary source for Burkett's story on the file scrubbing. The scrubby scrubby offshoot story's got legs, my friends. Could there really be NO records anywhere of Bush's arrests? All police/court documents completely expunged? Something's out there somewhere...

Posted by: Cheney's Third Nipple at February 11, 2004 09:38 PM | PERMALINK

Gee, it looks like the Bushies are release (or not) new documents all of a sudden -- puts that four year old George article in perspective, huh, Bubba?

Posted by: Old Hat at February 11, 2004 09:39 PM | PERMALINK

Here's a tip: If you don't want people to question your military record, don't put on a flight suit and act like a war hero. The president brought this whole mess onto himself. This is politics, baby.

Posted by: Tom Tommy at February 11, 2004 09:40 PM | PERMALINK

Frankly, it's the kind of stuff the right has done for years, only with better funding. Ever hear of The Arkansas Project?

Whiskey Mike - you're right, but go back even further ... Remember Nixon and the Plumbers? Muskie and the Canook letter? J. Edgar Hoover and Martin Luther King? McCarthy and his pal Roy Cohn? Hell, go back to Harding and Teapot Dome (it was all about oil)?

I watched "All the President's Men" again last night and was struck by its relevance to bushco. Their MO is still the same. Today's thugs are simply a more malignant strain of - as John Dean put it - cancer.

Posted by: Jim Faith at February 11, 2004 09:40 PM | PERMALINK

I like this:

George W. Bush left his Texas Air National Guard assignment and moved to Alabama in 1972 even though the Air Force denied his request for a transfer, according to his military records.

In fact, Bush did not even ask for an official transfer until nine days after he moved to Alabama in May 1972.

The Air Force quickly rejected Bush's request, saying the fighter pilot was "ineligible" to move to the Alabama unit Bush wanted - a squadron of postal handlers.

Yeah, they needed jet pilots to drop mail over ths south, donchaknow?

Eat shit, brownshirts. And keep up the whining - it's music to my ears!

Posted by: dave at February 11, 2004 09:41 PM | PERMALINK

Don't arrogantly announce yourself as the "war President," either. Don't play Top Gun for a photo-op.

Posted by: Old Hat at February 11, 2004 09:41 PM | PERMALINK

"The most startling aspect of this story is that the press has continually treated this affair as a political debate rather than a matter of fact."

Bubba, the press is still trying to get all the facts. That's its job. Tell your president to keep his promise and release the information. Then you can criticize the press and public if they reach the wrong conclusions. As long as the Whitehouse is reneging on its promise, your critique is premature.

Posted by: Bassfish at February 11, 2004 09:41 PM | PERMALINK

Monkey

Like I said, I'm a baby boomer who lived through Nixon, and I agree with you. Don't drop this, or the Plame affair, or WMD. Throw every thing we've got at this guy, and we'll break through the wall.

Bush is the worst excuse for a President we've ever had. He has violated our Constitution and the public trust.

Posted by: cj at February 11, 2004 09:42 PM | PERMALINK

It's the cover-up that's important. They scrubbed his records.

Oh, and it also shows he's a lying fraud.

Posted by: alias at February 11, 2004 09:43 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, is the White House covering up a medical problem? Why on earth would they stress that the dental records showed that Bush was "fit to serve" from 1968-1973? The question of his fitness was not even at issue. These guys are making errors, because they have to do something to stanch the bleeding, but they don't have time to make all their stories match.

Posted by: Marky at February 11, 2004 09:43 PM | PERMALINK

I don't begrudge Kevin for keeping the issue alive even though I don't think the issue matters much. The blogosphere is precisely where these things should be hashed out - and then journalists with real contacts can channel some of the thoughts here and pursue them. Nothing wrong with that. I still think the whole Bush AWOL story is irrelevant. I care about the damage Bush has done to this country since 2001, not in 1972.

Posted by: Elrod at February 11, 2004 09:44 PM | PERMALINK

If you don't want people to question your military record, don't put on a flight suit and act like a war hero.

Oh, I get it, cut and paste. Sorry, I'm a newbie to this forum stuff.

Posted by: forgetting at February 11, 2004 09:44 PM | PERMALINK

The WH response on this is very similar to the cocaine issue in the 2000 election. At that time, the line was that it was undignified and gutter politics to bring it up and Bush refused to respond on the subject, except for the famous statement that since '74 he was saint.

Now they are dribbling out a few goofy dental records and running the gutter politics line again, rather than address the question. Except that Bush promised to be candid and release the records.

This time the refusal to discuss the issue is not working.

Because its not a good idea to respond regarding a charaacter issue about truthfulness and candor with evasiveness and a lack of candor.

Posted by: dmbeaster at February 11, 2004 09:46 PM | PERMALINK

Bubba:

You mean JFK Jr called Bush "not heroic" just before his mysterious plane crash??? Hmmmm!!!!

Posted by: spotted dog at February 11, 2004 09:48 PM | PERMALINK

Serious question here --- I mean I'd really like a considered opinion on this --- WHY is this pathetic issue the issue that is taking off with the media instead of any of scores of far more serious and current issues where Bush lied and commited crimes?

Here's an excellent CJR article on why this type of lie is so popular with the press.

http://tinyurl.com/2aq8u

Posted by: Anthony at February 11, 2004 09:50 PM | PERMALINK

Eat shit, brownshirts. And keep up the whining - it's music to my ears!

LOL. Are you for real? We're coming for you. There's a boxcar with your name on it. We will take you to Camp Tolerance, where intolerance will not be tolerated.

Love,
The Brownshirts.

Posted by: MagnificentBastard at February 11, 2004 09:51 PM | PERMALINK

The press is latching on to this issue because it's something that can be checked, documented and proved. Then they can lay before the American people that Bush was untruthful in this. His image is based on being a straight shooter(gag, ralph and barf.)

Posted by: cj at February 11, 2004 09:51 PM | PERMALINK

George Magazine, eh? A magazine devoted to politcs, run by the son of a beloved Democratic President? They ran a story about Bush's records being scrubbed?

Whatever happened to that guy, JFK jr, btw?

You don't say? Wow, died in a small plane crash, eh?

I wonder if they had any other stories in the pipeline? I guess we'll never know, eh?

Funny how people who write stories about Bush's past wind up dead, isn't it? The world is full of weird coincidences like that, isn't it?

Posted by: Monkey at February 11, 2004 09:52 PM | PERMALINK

Our Glorious Leader has the good strong patriotic heterosexual teeth of a great 'Merican. They're even better than George Washington's.

The way I see it, writing about Our Glorious Leader's teeth is like spitting on Washington.

Why do you hate the father of our country?

Posted by: Gen. JC Christian, Patriot at February 11, 2004 09:53 PM | PERMALINK

The Chicago Sun-Times story being cited by some posters here begs the question -- if there are documents that make all of this so bloody obvious, why is the White House handling this so poorly?

Two possible answers:

1. In fact, the article is incorrect. It is curious that the article references these exonerating documents without actually explaining their specific substance.

or,

2. This is just how the Bush White House handles things -- incompetently. I can only imagine how long it takes for these guys to order a pizza.

The administration really should just release everything, good or bad. The story would die much more quickly. Now it will hang around long enough until the next piece of bad news for Bush.

Posted by: Mike B. at February 11, 2004 09:54 PM | PERMALINK

Funny how people who write stories about Bush's past wind up dead, isn't it? The world is full of weird coincidences like that, isn't it

Please tell me you're a figment of my imagination as well? I tell you what...
The Bonesman did it.

That's right, they killed JFK Jr., and I bet they even killed Wellstone.

All in all, we're in good hands, a Bonesman will be president no matter what.

Wow, after throwing around that conspiracy theory garbage I sorta feel like I fit in.

Posted by: MagnificentBastard at February 11, 2004 09:55 PM | PERMALINK

Kudos also to Tim Russert for showing that it is now permissible to challenge the president--the 9/11 fog has worn off and now the dogs will hunt. The fear of being called unpatriotic was a muzzle--the muzzle is off. None too soon, this has been the darkest chapter in the history of the American executive.

Posted by: Bassfish at February 11, 2004 09:56 PM | PERMALINK

Whatever happened to J.H. Hatfield, the guy who claimed that W was serving court-ordered time in a community service program during those missing months in '72.

Posted by: patriotboy at February 11, 2004 09:58 PM | PERMALINK

Even Nixon did some good things before his megalomania got the better of him. And--bless his soul--he had the dignity to resign. Dignity will not be a word used by historians to describe Bush II.

Posted by: Bassfish at February 11, 2004 10:01 PM | PERMALINK

Please tell me you're a figment of my imagination as well? I tell you what...

Man, you guys just walk right into it, don't you?

When the shoe is on the other foot, it never fits as well, eh?

Vince Foster.
Whitewhater.
Ron Brown.
Clinton's black child.

Any questions? Or don't you get it?

Posted by: Monkey at February 11, 2004 10:01 PM | PERMALINK

Oh Jeez...

What about this: -----paste----
In an interview, Burkett said he recalled Allbaugh's words: "We certainly don't want anything that is embarrassing in there." Burkett said he immediately told two other officers about the conversation and noted it in a daily journal he kept. The two officers, George Conn and Dennis Adams, confirmed to USA TODAY in 2002 that Burkett told them of the conversation within days.

Soon afterward, there was a series of meetings of top commanders at Texas Guard headquarters at Camp Mabry. Bush's records were carried between the base archives and the headquarters building, according to Burkett and the second Guard official, who was there.

The meetings were confirmed in a 2002 interview by USA TODAY with William Leon, who was the state Guard's freedom-of-information officer in the 1990s. He was involved in discussions about what to release. Leon declined to comment on the substance of the meetings except to say, "We were making sure we released it properly and made sure we did it in a timely manner."
--------- end paste -------

Let me get this straight. USA Today confirmed this back in 2002 and didn't think it was worth reporting until NOW????

Posted by: xRon xUnderwood at February 11, 2004 10:03 PM | PERMALINK

Mag Bstd: "Wow, after throwing around that conspiracy theory garbage I sorta feel like I fit in."

Welcome aboard - or maybe you and Rush be welcoming us aboard???

Posted by: spotted dog at February 11, 2004 10:04 PM | PERMALINK

Monkey, let's not forget about all the murders in Mena and the concentration camp construction in Indianapolis.

Posted by: patriotboy at February 11, 2004 10:04 PM | PERMALINK

J.H. Hatfield?

His credibility was rightfully called into question.

Posted by: MagnificentBastard at February 11, 2004 10:07 PM | PERMALINK

xRon: It's kinda like Awakenings,isn't it? Oh my god, how long have I been asleep?

Posted by: Bassfish at February 11, 2004 10:07 PM | PERMALINK

When the shoe is on the other foot, it never fits as well, eh?

Vince Foster.
Whitewhater.
Ron Brown.
Clinton's black child.

I have no double standard. I thought the countless "investigations" during the Clinton adminstration were pointless and a waste of time and entirely unethical and embarassing to the President. I voted for the man in 1996.

Posted by: MagnificentBastard at February 11, 2004 10:10 PM | PERMALINK

Gee...a story about Hatfield's credibility by Howie Kurtz...pot calls kettle black, story at 11.

Posted by: Boggs at February 11, 2004 10:15 PM | PERMALINK

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040211-8.html
February 11, 2004

STATEMENT BY THE PHYSICIAN TO THE PRESIDENT

I have reviewed the medical and dental records of President George W. Bush covering the period from 1968-1973. I concur with the examining doctors and dentists that the President was fit for entry into officer training school, fit for undergraduate pilot training and fit for continued flying duties through his last annual flight physical, which expired on July 6, 1972. The records reflect no disqualifying medical information.

Richard J. Tubb, Colonel, USAF, MC, CFS Director, White House Medical Unit and Physician to the President

Looks like the last National Guard physical Bush got expired in July 1972 and he never got another one.

This means that he wasn't making up his missed physical along with this Jan 1973 dental exam.

Strange time to have a dental exam...

Posted by: Mike at February 11, 2004 10:16 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin.....

Trollaway, please.

Posted by: mac at February 11, 2004 10:17 PM | PERMALINK

Rarely is the question asked:

Why doesn't Bush just tell us exactly what happened? Doesn't he know? If some records are missing, he's the only one who can set the story straight. "I got an honorable discharge, didn't I?" isn't gonna cut it. Instead of releasing dental records and saying "You figure it out", he should tell us exactly what he did.

It's pretty simple, really.

Posted by: scarshapedstar at February 11, 2004 10:18 PM | PERMALINK

This is just how the Bush White House handles things -- incompetently. I can only imagine how long it takes for these guys to order a pizza.

So good, it had to be repeated.

Posted by: Another Bruce at February 11, 2004 10:20 PM | PERMALINK

Have y'all seen this account of Bush's time in 'Bama back in '72?

http://www.southerner.net/blog/awolbush.html

A couple of choice excerpts:

Those who encountered Bush in Alabama remember him as an affable social drinker who acted younger than his 26 years. Referred to as George Bush, Jr. by newspapers in those days, sources say he also tended to show up late every day, around noon or one, at Blount's campaign headquarters in Montgomery. They say Bush would prop his cowboy boots on a desk and brag about how much he drank the night before.
They also remember Bush's stories about how the New Haven, Connecticut police always let him go, after he told them his name, when they stopped him "all the time" for driving drunk as a student at Yale in the late 1960s. Bush told this story to others working in the campaign "what seemed like a hundred times," says Red Blount's nephew C. Murphy Archibald, now an attorney in Charlotte, N.C., who also worked on the Blount campaign and said he had "vivid memories" of that time.
"He would laugh uproariously as though there was something funny about this. To me, that was pretty memorable, because here he is, a number of years out of college, talking about this to people he doesn't know," Archibald said. "He just struck me as a guy who really had an idea of himself as very much a child of privilege, that he wasn't operating by the same rules."

snip

Many of those who came into close contact with Bush say he liked to drink beer and Jim Beam whiskey, and to eat fist-fulls of peanuts, and Executive burgers, at the Cloverdale Grill. They also say he liked to sneak out back for a joint of marijuana or into the head for a line of cocaine.

snip

Winton Bount's son Tom, an accomplished architect who designed the Shakespeare Festival Theater in Montgomery, remembers well his encounter with Bush... The son known as "Tommy" said he ended up in the same car with Bush, with Bush driving, on election night.

"He was an attractive person, kind of a 'frat boy,'" Blount said. "I didn't like him."

He remembers thinking to himself, "This guy thinks he is such a cuntsman, God's gift to women," he said. "He was all duded up in his cowboy boots. It was sort of annoying seeing all these people who thought they were hot shit just because they were from Texas."

Bush also made an impression on the "Blue-Haired Platoon," a group of older Republican Women working for Blount. Behind his back they called him "the Texas soufflé," Archibald said, because he was "all puffed up and full of hot air."

Posted by: ShardOglass at February 11, 2004 10:22 PM | PERMALINK

About J.H. Hatfield

http://www.lovearth.net/fortunateson.htm
Bush Accuser Dies Of Drug Overdose

James Howard Hatfield, 43, Author Of "Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President" Found Dead In A Hotel Room On Wednesday
July 18, 2001
by Irene Noguchi, Washington Post

The troubled author of a biography accusing President Bush of hiding a three-decade-old cocaine arrest committed suicide Wednesday. James Howard Hatfield, 43, was found in a hotel room in Springdale, Ark., and appeared to have died from a overdose of prescription drugs, police said.

Hatfield wrote "Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President" in 1999. The book cited unnamed sources in claiming that Bush was arrested in 1972 but that his case was expunged. Bush, who was campaigning for president when the book was published, denied the allegations.

Soon after "Fortunate Son" was released by St. Martin's Press, the company discovered that Hatfield had been convicted in 1988 of attempted murder of his former supervisor. It recalled 70,000 copies in October 1999 and left an additional 20,000 books in storage....

An interview with Hatfield
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/8-12-03/discussion.cgi.20.html

Posted by: Mike at February 11, 2004 10:28 PM | PERMALINK

I just stuck 6 January 1973 into a day-of-the-week calculator and it came back Saturday. You see I was an Air Force brat before my 8 years in the Air Force and I don't ever remember being able to get a Saturday dental appointment.

Maybe this was a Guard thing, or the calculator was off.

The other thing is that he has credit for service on 11/11, that's Veterans Day. If you're not in a parade or war-zone you don't normally have any duty on November, 11th.

Any guesses.

Posted by: Bryan at February 11, 2004 10:29 PM | PERMALINK

Kudos also to Tim Russert for showing that it is now permissible to challenge the president--the 9/11 fog has worn off and now the dogs will hunt.

Huh! How can you give Kudos to Russert for such a weak interview? One softball general question after another, with no follow ups or facts showing up Bush's answer for the fantsies they were. SCLM indeed.

Posted by: Lying liars at February 11, 2004 10:50 PM | PERMALINK

Clever, Kevin. Let's recall: you accused Bush of being AWOL. The records have been released establishing definitively that you were wrong, that the charge was baseless, and that Bush did his duty.

What would releasing Bush's medical records add to that? Nothing at all. You've already been proven to be a liar--there's no need to pile on.

But if you think that every president should release his medical file, let's start with the last one.

Posted by: Thomas at February 11, 2004 10:56 PM | PERMALINK

Yup.. Got to this URL and plug in 1/6/1973 and you get Saturday...

http://www.travelfurther.net/dates/datesrus.asp

Posted by: Michael March at February 11, 2004 10:57 PM | PERMALINK

Ya know, this just keeps getting weirder. So Bush moves to Alabama in May of 1972, for an election that's in November. He doesn't attend any drills until the end of October, 6 months later. But then, he comes back from Christmas vacation in D.C. to Alabama to drill in January. 2 months after the election.

Can someone please tell me why W is going back to Alabama to pull guard duty in January? He certainly wasn't punctilious about drilling in the 8 months prior to that, and the election had been over for two months. What the hell did he need to go back to Alabama for? For three days of drill that he could have accomplished any time in Houston, y'know, where he lived? It makes no sense.

Also, if the transfer was temporary, when did it end? Is there paperwork on that?

Posted by: epist at February 11, 2004 11:06 PM | PERMALINK

Thomas,

Catch up, dude.
Surely you're not THAT feebleminded?

Posted by: mac at February 11, 2004 11:12 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry thomas,

I should not presume.
BTW, How fucking feebleminded are you?

Just Curious

Posted by: mac at February 11, 2004 11:15 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, Thomas, let us have Clinton's record. But you won't be able to impeach him again, nor will it bail it the current President out of his quandary. And, do you think any of us would be shocked by what might be in Clinton's record. No. Clinton's character is already trashed. And in his defense, he never seemed to gush about his own virtues in the moral realm. If Clinton had harangued others for their infidelity, and then been caught, well, that just makes him a hypocrite, too (see: Limbaugh, Bennett, et al). Tell me, will the Republican candidate for President in 2080 still be invoking the name of Clinton as the reason for the problems of the world?

Posted by: Boggs at February 11, 2004 11:17 PM | PERMALINK

Perhaps by then Bush was trying to transcend dental medication?

Posted by: bad Jim at February 11, 2004 11:26 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, finally. . .

the tooth, the whole tooth, and nothing but the tooth.

Posted by: epist at February 11, 2004 11:37 PM | PERMALINK

The wingnuts are really getting their panties in a bunch over this.

Remember, it was the repubs who made this the fuss that it is. No one forced Ed Gillespie to go screaming, to every camera he could find, that the allegations are DISGUSTING and BASELESS. Where did he think demands that people repudiate Michael Moore was going to get him? All he did was (finally) arouse the curiousity of the media.

When you release partial records (with contradictory and/or curious information), you only raise more questions.
It's VERY simple. Release all of the records, and all the questions will be answered.

They misplayed this baddly. Repub whining is approaching hysteria, and the smell of fear is unmistakable.

Posted by: JoeW at February 12, 2004 12:12 AM | PERMALINK

Epist beat me. Damn!

Dental records make no sense. The White House doesn't seem to know what it's doing. Is Karl Rove incapacitated? On a bender?

George the third may profit by this example.

If this be damage control, make the most of it!

Posted by: bad Jim at February 12, 2004 12:23 AM | PERMALINK

But seriously folks-

What the hell is Bush doing back in Alabama in January? It squares with what the ex says, but his transfer was only for Sep, Oct and Nov, which makes sense, since the election was in early Nov. So why is he going back to Alabama months later to drill? (sorry, couldn't help myself)

curiouser and curiouser

Posted by: epist at February 12, 2004 12:49 AM | PERMALINK

I keep wondering if there isn't some deep, dark secret in Shrub's files. His drug use and DUI are by now general knowledge, and his apparent AWOL status is being bandied about. If this stuff is all that is in his records, any fool would see that his best move would be to release everything now (or a good while ago) and stop the rapidly increasing suspicion coming from an ever increasing number of the general public, as well as the media.

So I'm wondering if there isn't some bombshell in there that makes him prefer to remain silent and allow the barrage of suspicion and questioning continue to grow. Apparently, Shrub was busted at least once for drunk driving, but as far as I know, no specifics about this have come out.

But what if while drunk driving he seriously injured, or even killed someone? Would Shrub + father have been able to cover even this up? This is just speculation of course, but it seems that he is going to such lengths to cover everything up that there must be something horrific, something that no one has even guessed at, that he is so desperately trying to keep hidden.

Antoinetta III

Posted by: Antoinetta III at February 12, 2004 12:54 AM | PERMALINK

If you don't want people to question your military record, don't put on a flight suit and act like a war hero.
Or send Americans to die and be permanently maimed when the threat isn't imminent.

Oh, I get it, cut and paste. Sorry, I'm a newbie to this forum stuff.
Welcome aboard. You'll pick it up. The next thing to learn is HTML formatting tags for italicized and bold text:

(i)Use this format, but with ANGULAR brackets instead of parenthesis for italicized text. Note the i in both brackets and the slash in the closing bracket(/i)
(b)Use this format, but with ANGULAR brackets instead of parenthesis for bold text. Note the b in both brackets and the slash in the closing bracket(/b)

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Now go chew some wingnut ass and make sure your friends are registered to vote in November. Cheers.

Posted by: Tim B. at February 12, 2004 12:56 AM | PERMALINK

Let us hope that between the budget halving the deficit in the next term wink, nudge, bringing democracy and/or christianity to iraq, wink, nudge, improving education, fighting AIDS, teenage pregnancy and steroid abuse wink, nudge, cleaning up the environment and achieving energy independence [wait - are these the administration's declared goals?] we will also be able to restore dignity to the White House, when we aren't clearing brush out at our ranch.

What the hell. Que chacun cultive son propre jardin. Who woulda thunk Bush was a fan of Voltaire?

Posted by: bad Jim at February 12, 2004 01:05 AM | PERMALINK

What I love is that if this admin is overcome, forced from power without time to pack, the people who take the W House back are going to find out that Bxco did NOTHING for the whole time. They just played and fundraised and passed evil law for their friends and raped the earth...and didn't do ANY work at all. No paperwork.

Everything they find is from some right-wing think tank or other, with crude underlining in blue pen.

Bx's desk itself has about 30 different Rx drugs in his long drawer, and the other drawers have gay porn, oreo cookies, and condoms (respectively).

On the desk, a map of the Middle East, with bourbon spilled on it, smearing the printing. The desk itself has some crude pencil drawings, and some whittling scars, presumably from the knife shaped like a Cross. Also found: a gold bar stamped Auschwitz, and a piece of the F-16 that hit the Pentagon on Sept. 11.

Posted by: Paul at February 12, 2004 03:01 AM | PERMALINK

Not Oreo cookies. A bag of stale pretzels with a note from Cheney: "Enjoy".

The rest is undoubtedly accurate, although the Magnum condoms may be left over from Clinton. Useless for W.

Posted by: Tim B. at February 12, 2004 04:11 AM | PERMALINK

These dental records are absolutely meaningless. Somewhere in the waste records of the US Navy exists documents showing I received dental care on three separate occasions in 1976 at US Naval HQ-Europe. Proof I was stationed at US Naval HQ - Europe? Uhh, not hardly.
At the time I was in the US Air Force, and stationed at Templehof AB in West Berlin, Germany. I was, however, on leave (vacation) with my girlfriend in the UK and came down with a bad toothache. After checking with the US Embassy in London, I was advised to visit the US Naval HQ located just across the street from the Embassy, as they had a dental clinic. Over the next several days, I made three visits to the clinic there. They were overjoyed at having an actual active duty military person to work on, as apparently the overwhelming majority of their work at the time was treating Embassy staff and their families (in fact, whenever I came in I was immediately jumped ahead of all other patients). And let me say now (remember, I was a "zoomie" (Air Force) and they were "squids" (Navy)), they were helpful and greatly appreciated.

So, when the Bushies say this "proves" Dubya did his drills - nonsense! It only shows he went to a military base for dental care on the taxpayer, using his Armed Forces ID as an entry pass. Nothing more!

Posted by: Zoomie at February 12, 2004 04:55 AM | PERMALINK

Oh man, that Sun-Times article is awesome. When he's all, "All the documents are on an internet site" and "Just look at his DD-214!" he neglects to mention that the DD-214 (the discharge statement) isn't on said internet site. In fact, if I could have just one document to look at, it would be the DD-214, which Bush has not released and which no one has yet seen. The Sun-Times guy is right--it would show everything that everyone wants to know. That seems to be why it's not getting released.

We do have the NGB22, but it doesn't seem to show very much. All it shows is that he got an honorable discharge. It has no attendance records or anything like that. It doesn't even show what units he was in and when, something we're still not all that sure about.

It does show an employer based in Alabama and his then-current unit as being in Texas, which is kind of weird. But I guess not surprising since he was "NOT AVAILABLE FOR SIGNATURE."

Posted by: Melissa O at February 12, 2004 05:16 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin,

Keep up the good work! The White House is upset because someone's actually investigating. They're used to people just accepting their lies. If, at the end of the day, they miraculously put together a solid defense of his record I'd still wonder why they've handled it so poorly. The trolls in this thread, however, would still defend him even if he personally admitted being AWOL (obviously never going to happen). Continue digging, but remember, this is but a small dung heap of lies and there are so many more to go through. Even still, it's an awe-inspiring look into the hypocrisy of Bush and his supporters.

Posted by: JimO at February 12, 2004 05:17 AM | PERMALINK

Be sure to check out today's Boston Globe story! Suspension from flight status when Bush missed his physical should've triggered an investigation and report. Either the Bush administration should provide this or they demonstrate by its absense that Bush benefitted from privileged treatment!
Neither way is a real winner for the administration.

Posted by: Lis at February 12, 2004 05:18 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, but I think we're missing the real point here: the dental records clearly show that the future president wasn't flossing at the time. WASN'T FLOSSING! Do you know what this means?!?!?!?!

Me either - what a lame fucking defense. And haven't these dumbshits learned anything about the way the media works? The surest way to keep the legs on this story is to dribble out information, rather than drop the whole file at once.

Posted by: Lyndon Johnson at February 12, 2004 05:43 AM | PERMALINK

I think one of the keys to this has to be figuring out where he was on Jan. 6. We know in December he got busted for drunk driving and got in a big spat with George Sr. So presumably he was in Houston over the holidays, right (or did the spat and the drunk driving happen somewhere else)? And at some point around then, he was in court. And then he was supposed to be doing community service to work off his drunk driving. I thought that was around the January 6 timeframe. So maybe we can prove he was in two places at once, Alabama and Houston.

Posted by: emptywheel at February 12, 2004 05:45 AM | PERMALINK

It certainly cheers up one's morning to go on to a major blog like Kevin's (yeah, I know - "major blog" is a somewhat, uh, flexible term) and see the Busholaters go on the comments and start to sputter and froth over their idol's military-records flap - you just KNOW something is up when they start calling you (Kevin) "a liar", and dismissing the fragmentary nature of the President's record release ("Records are out...nothing to see here...move along, move along...") - and, soon, I am sure, start in with the "traitor" rap for daring to publicly question Saint George the W; after all, "there's a war on....."
Anyway, it is telling when even Colin Powell, long typed by the media as the "serious gentleman" of the Bush 43 Adminstration, can get his knickers in a twist with some Congressmen over the "Bush AWoL" meme: what is telling, I mean, is that he seems to blown his stack over the definition of "AWoL" rather than the substance of the issue. Well, Powell is career military, he should know about records and paperwork: it's just that the freakish defensiveness emanating from the WH and their crew seems way beyond the norm (and is reflected in the blogosphere by the Shrub-trolls).

Posted by: Jay C. at February 12, 2004 06:04 AM | PERMALINK

Morning, Y'all!

Speculation: Did Bush join the guard because of an Arrest in the late 60's?

A lot of times, that was offered as a way out of a scrape...

Posted by: MOnkey at February 12, 2004 06:12 AM | PERMALINK

About the only worse trolling and freepersome I have seen was when Pandagon did a year end top ten worst wingnuts.

This must have really hit a nerve.

I can't help but think that the real issue with most Americans is that if you are going to go to war and call yourself a "war president", you damn well better have a spotless record.

I don't know the outcome naymore than anyone else does, but withholding records indicates they are hiding something even more devastating than missing a few days in the Guard.

Posted by: Maccabee at February 12, 2004 06:21 AM | PERMALINK

Yup. Thank god Bush is a compulsive liar. Whenever he gets asked a slightly hard live question his eyes go all beady and he panics and comes out with some silly shit like "Oh, no, I didn't have anything to do with that 'Mission Accomplished' banner".

I suspect there's nothing much to the AWOL stuff. Sure he bunked off and was a drunkard and a coke-head with no responsibility at all but that was back then right..... uh.... right !?!?

He's stonewalling for no reason other than that's what he does. There's probably no worse skeleton than his drunk driving frat-boy lifestyle we already know about. He always lies, always refuses to answer questions because he thinks he's god. The reason he won't release his records is because he hates the idea that the peasants could force him into doing it. Rove probably opposes release because he figured it would just provoke more publicity about the irresponsible stuff we already know.

I'm guessing Rove will change his mind if this gets any worse. Genius, my ass. Maybe he should accuse Kerry of having a black love child.

Posted by: DavidByron at February 12, 2004 06:28 AM | PERMALINK

This is starting to get comical.

By which, I presume you mean your and your fellow Dems' pathetic obsession with Bush's Guard service 30 years ago.

Posted by: anon at February 12, 2004 06:44 AM | PERMALINK

I think one of the keys to this has to be figuring out where he was on Jan. 6. We know in December he got busted for drunk driving and got in a big spat with George Sr. So presumably he was in Houston over the holidays, right (or did the spat and the drunk driving happen somewhere else)?

Can someone confirm Bush was arrested for DUI in December of that year? I know it's a matter of public record he was arrested for that offense in Maine (I believe in '76) but is the earlier one verifiable, also? That would make mean he's been arrested twice for DUI. Am I following this correctly?

Posted by: Scooter Libby at February 12, 2004 06:51 AM | PERMALINK

Well, I don't know about anybody else, but now I for one am convinced that Bush did indeed have teeth.

Posted by: DanM at February 12, 2004 08:03 AM | PERMALINK

anon,

Comical is the joke about the monkey and the cork. You just go ahead and keep trying to put the cork back in. Heh heh.

Posted by: Tripp at February 12, 2004 08:15 AM | PERMALINK

Scooter Libby, i believe the actual story is that Bush went out drinking with an underage relative, came home and ran over a garbage can, and got into a big spat with his dad at the time (something about "you want to go man-on-man").

So i don't think it was a previous DUI, just a family-recognized episode of drunk driving and irresponsibility.

As for the nitwits who live in the right-wing media bubble and think we know the facts, good grief: have you folks really lost your ability to read? The odds are that Bush, as Slate noted yesterday, deserves a "D" and not an "F," but then again, a lot depends, as Korb (a Reagan defense appointee, after all) has noted, how you want to think about a guy who was grounded after being trained for not taking a physical and never made up for it....

Posted by: howard at February 12, 2004 08:36 AM | PERMALINK

"The records have been released establishing definitively that you were wrong,"

Two points:

1. First of all, Kevin has been very careful to qualify what he says about Bush's record. He has mostly stated just that there are questions that deserve to be answered.

2. You're wrong. The records are far from "definitive." The most you can say is that it has not been conclusively established that George Bush was AWOL or that anything untoward took place. The record is not clear, much less definitive.

On a related subject, did I read correctly that one of the days that Bush supposedly drilled was Armistice Day, a day when the Guard at the time did not drill?

Posted by: PaulB at February 12, 2004 08:42 AM | PERMALINK

Anyone else struck by the juxtaposition of the Saddam and Bush dental exams? This White House sure has a funny sense of humor.

I guess what goes around, comes around.

Posted by: tib at February 12, 2004 09:05 AM | PERMALINK

howard is correct. you know, the repubs should follow the advice of one of their own: John Ehrlichman. he admitted the futility of a "modified limited hangout." the laughable release of the dental record even modifies the "modified limited hangout." did anyone see how furious the usually unflappable tory clark became when joe klein put some specifics on the table for paula zahn last night? repubs are sweating hard.

Posted by: mateo at February 12, 2004 09:46 AM | PERMALINK

The dental record for 1/6/73 is from a Saturday. Most National Guard folks drill on the weekend. I've read elsewhere that most Guard folks will get their physical, etc. at that time. Bush being in the dental chair on a Saturday makes sense if I'm allowed to assume that he was on drill that day and decided (perhaps nothing else going on, very reasonable to think) to get the work done.

Folks here might want to get a little perspective before bloviating on a single sheet of paper.

Posted by: Steve White at February 12, 2004 12:15 PM | PERMALINK

Re: the Veteran's Day discrepancy someone earlier noted, this correction from Slate:

Correction, Feb. 12, 2004: An earlier version of this column questioned the accuracy of this claim, given that Nov. 11 was Veterans Day, which is always celebrated on that specific date (in tribute to the 1918 Armistice, which the holiday originally commemorated). "National Guard units never drill on Veterans Day," Chatterbox noted.

But from 1971 through 1977, Veterans Day was moved to the last Monday in October. The states objected, and it was moved back to Nov. 11 starting in 1978. Consequently, Nov. 11, 1972, wouldn't have been celebrated as Veterans Day at whatever National Guard base Bush was on that day, and drills would have proceeded as usual. (Return to corrected item.)

Posted by: PaxR55 at February 12, 2004 02:01 PM | PERMALINK

Dr. John Andrew Harris, the dentist who performed Bush's dental exam on Jan. 6, 1973, said: "It's just an annual exam... He was just another pilot... They had to be seen on
an annual basis."

So GWB was able take the time to get an annual dental checkup (Jan '73) but unable to get himself to a flight surgeon for an annual physical (May '72).

Seems to me the more important of the two was the physical since failing to undergo it cost him his flight status.

Posted by: John Smith at February 12, 2004 04:01 PM | PERMALINK

i hear they refuse to release preznit retards' medical file because he flatlined an eeg.

Posted by: tim at February 12, 2004 05:15 PM | PERMALINK

Though linked to from the WashPo article that Kevin links to, here are direct links to Bush's Jan. 6, 1973 dental exam, at the Smoking Gun and at Findlaw.

Posted by: Ron at February 12, 2004 05:58 PM | PERMALINK

Say what you will. John Kerry refuses to release any of his military personnel records, his medal citations, his perfromance reports, even his Naval Reserrve records...which I am sure missed no meetings, etc.

What is he hiding? Besides Interns....

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