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January 27, 2004

EXIT POLLS....Ah, what the hell. Here are the New Hampshire exit poll numbers so far:

  1. Source: AP
    Kerry - 36
    Dean - 31
    Edwards - 12
    Clark - 12
    Lieberman - 6

  2. Source: Not sure
    Kerry - 36
    Dean - 30
    Edwards - 16
    Clark - 10
    Lieberman - 6

  3. Source: Probably ABC
    Kerry- 37
    Dean - 31
    Edwards - 12
    Clark - 12
    Lieberman - 7

  4. Source: LA Times
    Kerry - 33
    Dean - 34
    Edwards - 12
    Clark - 11
    Lieberman - 9

  5. Source: CBS
    Kerry - 37
    Dean - 30
    Edwards - 12
    Clark - 12
    Lieberman - 4

  6. Source: 2:30pm exit numbers from who knows where, supposedly a network...
    Kerry - 35.7
    Dean - 30.6
    Edwards - 11.9
    Clark - 12.1
    Lieberman - 6.9

Take these for what they're worth, although I have to say that they're remarkably close. Here's the average of all six:

Kerry - 35.7
Dean - 31.1
Edwards - 12.6
Clark - 11.5
Lieberman - 6.4

Posted by Kevin Drum at January 27, 2004 02:24 PM | TrackBack


Comments

I always lie to the exit pollers and did so today.

Posted by: MJ at January 27, 2004 02:31 PM | PERMALINK

Why is LAT such an outlier?

Posted by: SP at January 27, 2004 02:41 PM | PERMALINK

Assuming your averages are pretty close to the actual results, two observations:

1) Dean did surprisingly well;
2) the virutal tie between Edwards and Clark means that the Feb 3 and mid Feb primaries are going to be very interesting.

just my $0.02.

Posted by: Dan at January 27, 2004 02:42 PM | PERMALINK

Everything I ever say is a lie...

Posted by: plasmastate at January 27, 2004 02:43 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, how do you get exit poll numbers and not know where it is from? My favorite was "2:30pm exit numbers from who knows where, supposedly a network." Can you at least give us your source for this since I assume its not the network.

Posted by: Doug-E-fresh at January 27, 2004 02:44 PM | PERMALINK

Regardless of who wins, I think it's imperative that winner's airplane do a fierce barrell-roll on the way to South Carolina.

Posted by: Frank Lopez at January 27, 2004 02:45 PM | PERMALINK

CW says Joe is pulling out - FINALLY. I've never seen Joementum meet a brick wall more often in my life.

Posted by: plasmastate at January 27, 2004 02:45 PM | PERMALINK

LA Times' numbers are from fairly early (they're the 1:00 PM numbers, at the latest) so it could be they're simply stale.

Or they've got a different methodology. Exit polling really boils down to pollster placement. Nobody covers all the voting stations, so.....*shrug*.

Posted by: Morat at January 27, 2004 02:46 PM | PERMALINK

MJ
I am curious to know why you would lie to an exit pollster. It is certainly your choice to do so but I am curious to know your motivation. If the exit polls are announced before the voting booths close you are not helping your candidate who could benefit from the band wagon effect. If you just don't want the pollster to know how you voted, a no comment would suffice.

Posted by: Seeker at January 27, 2004 02:47 PM | PERMALINK

Now, can Lieberman FINALLY drop out ?

Posted by: ch2 at January 27, 2004 02:51 PM | PERMALINK

If those numbers hold, it looks like Kerry would probably come away with 13 NH delegates, Dean with 9 and everyone else goes home empty-handed.

Posted by: kaley at January 27, 2004 02:59 PM | PERMALINK

We'll see ... could it be that Howard Dean survived last week's media broadside? Won't that twist the Beltway Heathers' panties in a tight bunch!

Posted by: Oahu Guy at January 27, 2004 02:59 PM | PERMALINK

plasmastate - alright, it's bedtime, Mr. President. :-D

ch2 - and Clark too, while we're at it. Dark horse my ass, more like lame donkey.

Posted by: Sean Robertson at January 27, 2004 03:00 PM | PERMALINK

Clark has double the numbers of Lieberman. Probably worth one more try.

Posted by: ch2 at January 27, 2004 03:03 PM | PERMALINK

Oahu Guy,
"Won't that twist the Beltway Heathers' panties in a tight bunch!"

Just watch these whores take credit for giving him a baptism by fire.

Posted by: ch2 at January 27, 2004 03:05 PM | PERMALINK

Boy,

Gore must feel really dumb now, not getting behind the Lieberman juggernaut when he had a chance.

Posted by: derek g at January 27, 2004 03:05 PM | PERMALINK


Liebermania!

Catch it!


(Before it's gone forever)

Posted by: Frugal Liberal at January 27, 2004 03:08 PM | PERMALINK

But guys, Lieberman's got JoeMentum!

Posted by: noam chimpsky at January 27, 2004 03:09 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman done
Clark done.
That's the only news from that pit called New Hampshire. On to more significant states please.

Posted by: kaz at January 27, 2004 03:10 PM | PERMALINK

All you Dean fans: Wake the fuck up and realize that this man is a decent governor of the 49th largest state, but a far cry from a President. Explain how he's going to get over the following: 1) His admission that he was a draft dodger and ski bum during Vietnam; 2) "I Have A Scream" freakish outburst; 3) His Usama deserves a jury trial (that's real practical; hm, is anyone out there an unbiased juror -- Khalid, what are you doing for the next month?). Viability has been and always will be a part of campaigns -- otherwise, voter for Kucinich or urge Nader to vote again (which turned out great, huh).

Posted by: Ronald Farber at January 27, 2004 03:12 PM | PERMALINK

Y'know this is fun to spin and all, but it doesn't mean a damn thing. If Kerry and Dean fight to a tie and nobody else breaks 15%, as the exit polls imply, that makes the total delegate count (added to Iowa's) Kerry 31, Dean 18, Edwards 18. So Kerry would be about 1.5% of the way there and Dean and Edwards would be just under 1% of the way there. A 13 delegate difference among three candidates trying to reach the magical number of 2159 is like trying to call a baseball game based on the first batter.

Posted by: apostropher at January 27, 2004 03:12 PM | PERMALINK

All Lieb needed to do to coast to victory was to get the Joeters to the Joells before Joesing Jime and his Joementum would carry him the rest of the Jace. Jock on Joe!

Posted by: Azrael at January 27, 2004 03:12 PM | PERMALINK

Why do exit polls hate America so?

Posted by: 16 at January 27, 2004 03:14 PM | PERMALINK

"Joementum".

It sounds like something they'll be testing downer cattle for . . .

Posted by: Harry Cheddar at January 27, 2004 03:15 PM | PERMALINK

Ronald Farber,

Regarding 1): Answer back with a fake sneeze and say AAAA-WOL.

2): Claim that you will give the royalties to all the yearg remixes to a worthy charity.

3): Say that Usama can be tried by a jury of his peers; rich Saudi men...

cheers,

Posted by: ch2 at January 27, 2004 03:15 PM | PERMALINK

Lying to the exit pollsters strikes me as a very bad idea.

Exit polls might be our only indication that something is tragically wrong with the counts by the touch-screen voting machines in November. If exit poll numbers are discredited in the primaries, it'll be easy for the republicans to point to them and show them as being totally inaccurate.

Posted by: Rudy Garbanzo at January 27, 2004 03:18 PM | PERMALINK

Ronald: Dean was not a draft dodger, he got a medical deferrment. There was nothing freakish about the alleged outburst, it was a pep rally; it sounded freakish only because it was recorded in such a way that you couldn't hear the crowd noise. As for your third point, Bush has said that Saddam deserves a fair trial, so what's the difference?

Dean served five terms as a rather middle-of-the-road governor. He is no Kucinich or Nader.

Posted by: Joe Buck at January 27, 2004 03:19 PM | PERMALINK

Seeker,


The reason I lie to them is because I don't like how their reporting can effect an election. So I figure that if enough people lie to them there numbers will be off enough that they will be taken lightly in the future.

You make a good point about the band wagon effect. But considering I'm a registered Republican and told them I voted for Dean it had little effect on GWB.

Posted by: MJ at January 27, 2004 03:19 PM | PERMALINK

Regardless of the result today, what is already clear, and this was true of Iowa as well, is that pollsters did a poor job of predicting how supporters of the second tier candidates would realign once they realized that their candidate didn't have a chance. In Iowa, of course, the breaking was dictated by the caucus process itself; in New Hampshire, it probably has to with people not wanting to throw their votes away. The stronger effect in Iowa explains why the predictions were more wrong there.

Posted by: Matt at January 27, 2004 03:20 PM | PERMALINK

Thoase aren't exit polls.. those are numbers from the latest tracking polls

Posted by: big-A at January 27, 2004 03:21 PM | PERMALINK

but that would unleash the unshielded joe-mentum into the environment.

Posted by: xian at January 27, 2004 03:21 PM | PERMALINK

Y'know this is fun to spin and all, but it doesn't mean a damn thing...

That sounds reasonable, but doesn't bear up under the historical record. IA and NH results have been pretty darn reliable prognosticators or the eventual nominee. For both both parties.

Which means, if you don't win one of those two, then you better darn well perform a major turnaround (i.e., sweep Super Tuesday) or you're done. People in successive states will jump ship and put their vote behind a candidate they thin has a chance of winning. Which is why candidates drop out.

Example: Clark has spent more time in NH than any other state. You think he has a chance to win any others if he can't win that one?

Posted by: out4blood at January 27, 2004 03:22 PM | PERMALINK

Why is LAT such an outlier?

I wouldn't call it an outlier. It's within the margin of error. Had it shown Dean winning by ten, then it would outlie.

Posted by: Jeff (the blogger formerly known as Emma) at January 27, 2004 03:22 PM | PERMALINK

Ronald Farber--

If you care to even know:

Dean was NOT a draft dodger. Neither was Clinton. In all likelihood, Bush was AWOL.

The "scream" was no big deal and probably helped Dean in the long run. It just showed everyone how perfectly inane the US news media is.

The Osama trial remarks were reasonable-- not too different from what Bush said Saddam should get.

So, basically, you are full of shit.

Posted by: Alex at January 27, 2004 03:23 PM | PERMALINK

One bit of good news though: Joe-mentum looks dead, dead, dead. I hope that Lieberman quits tonight. I could support any of the top four if they win the nomination, though Dean is still my guy.

Posted by: Joe Buck at January 27, 2004 03:23 PM | PERMALINK

A draft dodger would a person who went to Canada or another country to avoid the draft. A medical deferrment isn't.

Posted by: MJ at January 27, 2004 03:24 PM | PERMALINK

>Why is LAT such an outlier?

ABC, CBS, and AP are all part of National Election Poll. I assume LA times is getting their own numbers.

Posted by: pat_k at January 27, 2004 03:24 PM | PERMALINK

Might as well wrap it up guys. Media won't let Kerry to the smear campaign against Bush and that seems to be his only weapon. Dean is a Dead man walking and Edwards will only survive as long as there is someone in front of him.

We are witnessing the end of the Democratic party, when the front runners don't have the balls to vote against that bastard in DC. Where were they when my overtime was stripped away this last week?
Give me a break. Democracy is over.

Posted by: soon to be expat at January 27, 2004 03:29 PM | PERMALINK

Clark is a victim of learning on the job...I think in another 3-4 months he would make an excellent candidate, but he may not have that long. I would like to see him on the ticket.

Dean is the dream Republican candidate, the guy they are praying to run against. He has Edwards negatives (inexperience on the national stage), plus some of Kerry's negatives (can be spun as Northeastern elitist liberal), plus some negatives of his very own! YEAARRGH!

Posted by: MQ at January 27, 2004 03:30 PM | PERMALINK

doesn't bear up under the historical record

All in all, I'd say the historical record recently is working toward the "doesn't mean a damn thing" side, as they've recently given their nods to Presidents McCain, Bradley, Tsongas and Buchanan.

I'm not trying to be cantakerous here, honestly, but this race is close and divided four ways and the allocation of these 22 specific delegates really doesn't mean much beyond media stories.

Posted by: apostropher at January 27, 2004 03:33 PM | PERMALINK

Re: "All you Dean fans: Wake the fuck up and realize that this man is a decent governor of the 49th largest state, but a far cry from a President. Explain how he's going to get over the following: 1) His admission that he was a draft dodger and ski bum during Vietnam"

It will be a non-issue if he is running against George W. Bush, and according to the exit polls W. is winning all the Repug desciples.

Or were voters just joshing with exit polsters and saying they voted for W. when they really voted for Dean?

Posted by: Enos at January 27, 2004 03:34 PM | PERMALINK

Democracy is over.

But hyperbole is certainly alive and kicking.

Posted by: apostropher at January 27, 2004 03:35 PM | PERMALINK

I LOVE leaked exit polls, even if they SUCK! Because I am a JUNKIE! FEED ME! Thank you.

Posted by: Shot and a Pickle at January 27, 2004 03:36 PM | PERMALINK

All you Dean fans: Wake the fuck up and realize that this man is a decent governor of the 49th largest state, but a far cry from a President. Explain how he's going to get over the following: 1) His admission that he was a draft dodger and ski bum during Vietnam; 2) "I Have A Scream" freakish outburst; 3) His Usama deserves a jury trial (that's real practical; hm, is anyone out there an unbiased juror -- Khalid, what are you doing for the next month?). Viability has been and always will be a part of campaigns -- otherwise, voter for Kucinich or urge Nader to vote again (which turned out great, huh).

What Ronald is really trying to say:

All you Dean fans: Wake the fuck up and realize that this man is a decent governor of the 49th largest state, but a Governor from a small state has no chance on the national stage. Explain how he's going to get over the following: 1) Republicans are going to outright LIE about him; 2) Republicans are going to grossly distort anything he does that fires up his supporters 3) He thinks he can make the same type of statements as the president and not get blasted by Republicans for it. Viability has been and always will be a part of campaigns -- otherwise, non-viable candidates would win (and they don't, HAHA).

Posted by: Thumb at January 27, 2004 03:38 PM | PERMALINK

Dean's got nothing going on anywhere past NH. He's sinking like a stone in NM, AZ, OK, SC, and never was anywhere in MO. He's hanging on in NH because he's so well known and HAD such overwhelming support a month or two ago. A lot of people were sold on him and just needed some reassurance he wasn't a raving lunatic. In the rest of the country, he still needs to make a first sale, and his negatives are sky high. No way, unless he comes all the way back and wins tonight. Everything else is a pyrrhic (at best) victory.

And by the way, early (before poll closing) exit poll release are bogus about 99% of the time. It's most often the campaign "leaking" raw numbers in an attempt to fire up troops for Election Day. Believe it when the polls close.

Posted by: ColoDem at January 27, 2004 03:39 PM | PERMALINK

From a west coast perspective it's a good result for the party, and a great spot for Edwards and Clark to be in heading into the real world.
Time to say goodnight, Joe.
jj

Posted by: jj at January 27, 2004 03:39 PM | PERMALINK

Can you feel it?

It's Lieberman.

He's preparing to drop out.

I can feel it. I can feel it in every cell in my body.

It will be ...

delicious.

Posted by: ethan at January 27, 2004 03:41 PM | PERMALINK

Can we presume that Joe will stfu and go back to the obscurity he deserves?

Too bad about Clark, but in the grand tradition of VP candidates, the fact that he said he would never be a VP candidate gets him right in the running.

Posted by: Eric at January 27, 2004 03:44 PM | PERMALINK

It will be a non-issue if he is running against George W. Bush, and according to the exit polls W. is winning all the Repug desciples.

Or were voters just joshing with exit polsters and saying they voted for W. when they really voted for Dean?

You mean, in the Republican primary, the Republican candidate is winning? Huh?

Weird...

Posted by: jesse at January 27, 2004 03:47 PM | PERMALINK

Ethan -- LOL!!
(I read it delivered in a Hanibal Lechter voice)

Posted by: MattB at January 27, 2004 03:51 PM | PERMALINK

Dear R. Farber

1) His admission that he was a draft dodger and ski bum during Vietnam;

He had a back injury and was turned down by a medical board. He got the letter, he showed up, they sent him home.

Also, he did in fact spend a year skiing, immediately after his brother died. His brother may have been a draft dodger, but he did die in Laos... under unknown circumstance... but that;s his brother and not him...

2) "I Have A Scream" freakish outburst;

he sounded like a professional wrestler when he let out that yell... I found it sorta primal. I'm not scared of primal.


3) His Usama deserves a jury trial [idea]

Viability has been and always will be a part of campaigns

Prior to his first run for the president..

George Bush had been a oilman, had run a baseball team, served in the Guard, HAD NEVER ACTUALLY TRAVELLED OVERSEAS, and had been a one term governor of TX...a large state which borders on a large trading partner and also a state with a notoriously weak gevernorship (with power being held mostly by the legislature). His wife.. um, I don;t know what she did while he was doing all this... I'll bet Ken Lay's wife (and many of the ENRON wives) knew her though... she ran with such good company.

During his first run for the presidency:

Howard dean has been a doctor, a doctor, a doctor, and alderman, a FOUR-TERM goernor of a small state which borders on one of our largest trading partners with a more average amount of power held by the executive branch. His wifes a doctor too, runs her own pratice. hmmm.

-- otherwise, voter for Kucinich or urge Nader to vote again (which turned out great, huh)

I did vote for Nader, and it turned out exactly as I'd hoped.

it woke up a lot of progressive minded people who were sorta complacent to the idea that YOU HAVE TO DO MORE THAN VOTE.

and you definitely have to vote.

ALL OF YOU

in conclusion, you watch too much TV

--mdhatter

Posted by: mdhatter at January 27, 2004 03:51 PM | PERMALINK

There was at least one vote for Vice Presidential Write-in candidate Kevin Drumm.

Posted by: theCoach at January 27, 2004 04:01 PM | PERMALINK

Clark I think may just pull off a squeker over Edwards. The LAT is the only one that shows Edwards with a substantial lead and a poor Lieb showing (assuming some voters are looking at these polls before voting) will probably help Clark. Not to mention that Clark supporters are liklier to be lower income and so more likely to vote after work. Okay so I'm justifying my hopes but if we ignore the LAT poll it doesn't take much to give Clark an edge.

Posted by: samiam at January 27, 2004 04:20 PM | PERMALINK

Oops. The one that shows Edwards substantially ahead of Clark is of unknown origin (and kinda suspect therefore). Which is even better because the only other one that shows edwards ahead at all is the LAT poll which has the anomolous Dean result.

Posted by: samiam at January 27, 2004 04:22 PM | PERMALINK


T-Minus Thirty Minutes:


Until New Hampshire receives a:

Joementum Transposition

Posted by: Frugal Liberal at January 27, 2004 04:28 PM | PERMALINK

If we managed to try Goering and Eichmann for Nazi war crimes, we can probably manage to try Bin Laden.

Jeez, don't wingers read any history these days?

Posted by: Rivka at January 27, 2004 04:34 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, conservatives must be thinking to themselves, "Oh not Kerry, what a strong candidate! He is stiff like Gore, but is also ugly! He's an old senator and a war veteran like Dole. No, not a combination of Dole/Gore! We're doomed! To make it even harder, he's voted along with us on all of our major initiatives that are unpopular failures! What are we ever to do?!(/cheshire grin)"

That's why Kerry has a smiling, glitzy campaign shot as the banner of MSNBC.com and Drudge is giving him props. You think they actually like him? Yeah, as a loser to Bush.

The emperor wears no clothes and Kerry is not about to let this secret out. He's as naked as the rest of 'em.

Posted by: trifly at January 27, 2004 04:43 PM | PERMALINK

Before anyone hangs crepe paper in mourning or pops champagne bottles in celebration, maybe we could all wait a couple of hours (or maybe a few minutes now) until the final numbers are in. Then we could analyze actual results! (I know, I know. I'll never be a newscaster now.)

Posted by: TonyB at January 27, 2004 04:47 PM | PERMALINK

All you Deaniacs must realize that Clinton was a decent governor of a small state, but (1) weathered a storm over his ROTC draft avoidance letter (2) weathered recordings of Gennifer Flowers baiting him into agreeing Mario Cuomo sounds like a mobster and (3) went on to beat W's Daddy who had just come off a successful war that was almost universally supported by America and the world.

In other words, the electability rap is nonsense.

May I make a seldom made point? Every elected President since Kennedy has been a governor or Vice-President.

Not one Senator.

Posted by: Emphyrio at January 27, 2004 04:50 PM | PERMALINK

Can I make a related point? Every elected president since Kennedy came from somewhere other than New England. I'm not sure either historical precedent means much this year.

Posted by: apostropher at January 27, 2004 04:57 PM | PERMALINK

apostropher,

untrue.

Both Bushes are actually from CT.

Posted by: ch2 at January 27, 2004 04:58 PM | PERMALINK

13% Precincts Reporting:

Kerry 38%
Dean 24%
Edwards/Clark 13%
Lieberman 10%

WMUR


Not much Joementum. Dean should do well with the kids who show up late at the polls, so I expect him to close the gap a little bit. I don't know how he can spin a "comeback" if he loses by 10% or more.

Posted by: Frugal Liberal at January 27, 2004 05:01 PM | PERMALINK

Don't forget the other NH primary... I did an entry at WatchBlog this afternoon (in the Republican column), about the presidential primary on the GOP side. Check it out...

Posted by: Aakash at January 27, 2004 05:03 PM | PERMALINK

GWB actually did grow up in Texas. GHWB ran for Congress from Texas. but he gets an asterisk, since he was a half-New Englander running against a full-on New Englander.

Posted by: apostropher at January 27, 2004 05:04 PM | PERMALINK

Bush may have spent his adolescent years in Texas, but he spent his teens in private academies, including Phillips in Andover, Mass. That's not a very common experience among Texan children.

Posted by: Frugal Liberal at January 27, 2004 05:10 PM | PERMALINK

Wolf keeps saying it's close between Dean and Kerry. How is 38-24 close???

Posted by: Senior Administration Official at January 27, 2004 05:11 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman to suspend campaign-related program activities.

f

Posted by: fouro at January 27, 2004 05:12 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is throwing his support to Kuchinich. You laughed at it here first.

Posted by: bobbyp at January 27, 2004 05:33 PM | PERMALINK

You idiots who are writing off Clark (and I'm not particularly a Clark supporter, btw) need to get a clue. Clark and Edwards merely need to survive in New Hampshire. They will both run much better in the South.

Lieberman is the only casualty here.

Posted by: jj at January 27, 2004 05:38 PM | PERMALINK

Frugal Liberal,

We can can split hairs over who is or isn't a genuine Southerner (I'd say the governor of Texas probably qualifies as a Texan, though whether Texans are are true Southerners or a breed unto themselves is up for debate), but the point remains: all of our candidates will have to buck historical trends to win. Backers of any candidate trying to justify their man's nomination based on historical precedent will have to pick and choose which one will fall by the wayside this year.

We haven't elected a senator since Kennedy. We haven't elected anybody (unambiguously) from north of the Mason-Dixon line since Kennedy. we haven't elected a general since Eisenhower. We haven't elected a North Carolinian since Andrew Johnson. Hell, we haven't elected a short, funny-looking guy since television became the dominant institution in American society.

Citing historical precedents in defense of electability is a live-by-the-sword, die-by-the-sword proposition.

Posted by: apostropher at January 27, 2004 05:40 PM | PERMALINK

That's particularly true, by the way, if Dean does better than expected, which appears to be happening. Without a viable Dean in the race, there's not much rationale for Clark's candidacy.

Posted by: jj at January 27, 2004 05:40 PM | PERMALINK

*** We haven't elected a North Carolinian since Andrew Johnson. ***

OK, that one is *particularly* lame. There are 50 states in the union. The odds any one state having produced a recent president is small.

Posted by: jj at January 27, 2004 05:46 PM | PERMALINK

You might just as reasonably argue that the U.S. has never re-elected a president with a last name that started with B (Bush 41, Buchanon) so Bush is doomed.

At some point (actually at just about any point) this historical precedent stuff is meaningless. It's like clouds - you can see whatever you want in it.

Posted by: jj at January 27, 2004 05:52 PM | PERMALINK

The best news from NH is
that that smarey Lieberman..

someone called him Bush's Democratic spokes-
man .... will finally disappear
Can't imagine folks in Conn being able to
listen to the bore.

Until Liberman came along I had said
ANYONE BUT BUSH .
Glad that I can now say that again.
Not that I would ever vote for a Bush

Posted by: Max Macks at January 27, 2004 06:00 PM | PERMALINK

It is bad enough to see the kind of rhetoric commonly thrown at Republicans in these comments, but the comments made about Sen. Joe Lieberman tonight, and many other nights, are reprehensible. So you don't agree with some of the man's politics. That is your right. However, he is a very decent man, and a man who loves his country. The fact that that last sentence makes so many of you gag goes a long way towards explaining the disintegration of the Democratic Party as the majority party in the United States. It also explains why GWB will be returned to the White House in November. Too many liberals/Democrats have no respect for anyone who differs even slightly from their view of the world--even a respected Senator from their own Party with a long history of accomplishment--a man, I might add, who would probably be the Vice-President today if the robot sharing the ticket with him ran a half-decent campaign. This lack of respect manifests itself in a disdain for Southerners, people of faith, any conservative proposal(no matter how sensible), the United States' standing in the world, and, worst of all, the average American citizen. I am a conservative who disagrees with Senator Lieberman on many issues, but I have more respect for him, and appreciation of his service to our country, than many of you from the Democratic side. That is a pathetic comment on the mind set of too many of you.

Posted by: DBW at January 27, 2004 07:27 PM | PERMALINK

MJ
Thank you for your response. I must say I was totally surprised by what you said, but it did clarify in two paragraphs why you are a republican--by your own admission, you're a liar and a cheat. Do the voters look like the politicians or do the politicians look like voters?

Posted by: Seeker at January 27, 2004 07:51 PM | PERMALINK

Andrew Johnson, if I am not mistaken, was Lincoln's VP, was impeached, and he was one of the three Presidents from Tennessee.

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