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You gotta love it. Amid all the bad data they were able to find a few examples where minority groups did better than others, so they highlighted that instead. This is sort of like commissioning a report on income disparities and highlighting the fact that blacks do very well in the area of professional basketball. Do these guys have no shame at all? Posted by Kevin Drum at January 13, 2004 07:51 PM | TrackBackComments
Who needs scientists when you have two eager 26-year-old MBAs at the American Enterprise Institute who can make the thing read like a ringing endorsement of a health insurance-less society? Posted by: Norbizness at January 13, 2004 08:00 PM | PERMALINKnext up - a study on infant mortality that concludes that when it's higher for minorities it's actually a good thing because it spares many of them from lives in prison and poverty as adults. After that is a report on how the earth is actually, technically revolving around the sun and less than 3000 years old. Posted by: Joey Jojo at January 13, 2004 08:00 PM | PERMALINKIt would also be worthwhile knowing why fewer American Indians died of cancer. For example, are Indians more susceptable(sp?) to urban diseases like diabetes, alcoholism, heart disease, etc? You might argue that some genetic component to each of these diseases might be more prevalent among Indians, because urbanization came late for them. That is, people have to die from something, and if heart disease kills them first, then cancer won't. Also, I'm not saying any of the above is fact or true, just that until the context is available, individual facts don't reveal much. Posted by: ruthbuzzy at January 13, 2004 08:02 PM | PERMALINKAs an example, the executive summary highlights that “American Indians/Alaska Natives have a lower death rate from all cancers.” Everybody dies of something, sooner or later. The high cancer death rates in industrial societies is due in part to the great success we have had in combatting other diseases. Posted by: rachelrachel at January 13, 2004 08:03 PM | PERMALINKAnyone ever seen the oft repeated movie The Pentagon Wars on HBO? Looks like another repeat. Posted by: Carpbasman at January 13, 2004 08:05 PM | PERMALINKThe real question is; Can these people even spell the word "Shame?" Posted by: Balta at January 13, 2004 08:05 PM | PERMALINKJoey, We've actually seen something like that happen. 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Posted by: bobbyp at January 13, 2004 08:12 PM | PERMALINKThe shame is all on us for tolerating a government like this. We should be marching on Washington with brooms and burning bush in effigy. The docility of the american people is alarming. (hmmm..."burning bush"...where have I herd that before?) Posted by: Straight-eye for the queer guy at January 13, 2004 08:13 PM | PERMALINK'Tobacco Institute' science is alive and doing well within the halls of government. Posted by: 2fair at January 13, 2004 08:14 PM | PERMALINKI'll met minorities (especially Native Americans!) have a lower rate of Alzheimer's, too, because they have significantly shortly life expectancies than white folks, and thus fewer of them live long enough to get it. The Bushies will want to play that up too. Posted by: Frederick at January 13, 2004 08:15 PM | PERMALINKIt's a way of life for these folks. They have no commitment to honesty or accuracy of the public record. 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But journalism is an ethical calling founded on serving the public trust. It's Koppel, Rather, Brokaw, Russert, the CNN gang et al that I want to kick in the nuts. Not unlike the priests guilty of sexual molestation--much of the horror is the fundamental betrayal of the higher calling of their profession. Posted by: Tim B. at January 13, 2004 08:19 PM | PERMALINKDoctoring post-9/11 EPA, doctoring global warming, selective, misleading, shaped, shaded, exagerated, partial truth, wilful concealment ... seems like people are starting to catch on a little more ... Posted by: Damfa at January 13, 2004 08:20 PM | PERMALINK"Do these guys have no shame at all?" You're assuming they're not inhuman. These people don't think like us. The mindless supporters are in a soma-induced stupor, and the ones in charge and know what they're doing aren't even human. You don't get anywhere asking, "Don't they even care that ... ", and
trying to convince people that way. It's meaningless, like asking if an
earthquake cares that it has killed thousands of people. Frederick - don't forget that a large percentage of minorities escape the scourge of old age. Old age - a terminal, cruel, silent and insatiable killer. for those with easy, lifelong access to healthcare. Posted by: Joey Jojo at January 13, 2004 08:23 PM | PERMALINKEveryone should visit Waxman's website: This essay in particular, by an anonymous NIH scientist, will make you weep in frustration: ... and I try not no hate snakes for being snakes. Ummm Tim B., real snakes can't help being snakes. They're reptiles and have no choice in the matter. On the other hand, Bush and crew make conscious choices about the things they do. Don't you dare give them a pass. They don't deserve it. As long as their families are protected they couldn't care less about what happens to anyone else. Call me idealistic, but politicians are supposed to be public servants. 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So if members of a minority group such as Native Americans tend to keel over at age 50 they are probably less likely to die of cancer than white folks who live to be 80. Posted by: Frederick at January 13, 2004 08:52 PM | PERMALINK"We should be marching on Washington with brooms and burning bush in effigy." Posted by: James at January 13, 2004 08:55 PM | PERMALINKUhh, well the reason cancer rates are so high is because we are all living to much older ages, so I guess it just makes sense that if the life expectancy of a particular group is low, they will have lower incidents of cancer. duh... Posted by: libertas at January 13, 2004 08:58 PM | PERMALINKWhy should these guys have any shame. "Shame" implies a sense of limits, of propriety. But with a media that hardly ever calls these fuckers to account for anything, why should they have any sense of limits? Why should they not instead have a sense that they can get away with anything? And to some extent, they are right. 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In this context, it's pretty easy to see that even the vaunted tax cuts don't make the grade - they served the interests of the rich and powerful, at the expense of the public who will pay off the debt created as a result. And so on and so forth. Posted by: Jennifer at January 13, 2004 09:22 PM | PERMALINKBut they're not out to serve the *public* interest! They're there to serve the interests of their constituency/supporters/patrons. Give them a pile of negative examples, and they'll find a single counter example, and they'll say that that's enough (or try and spin it to be enough). Posted by: jfk at January 13, 2004 09:42 PM | PERMALINK"Do these guys have no shame at all?" Answer: Next question please. Posted by: Jay R. - Oregon at January 13, 2004 09:45 PM | PERMALINKCancer and heart disease are diseases of aging. Native American's have a lower cancer death rate than most Americans because their lifespans are so much shorter: The average American has a lifespan of 76.5 years; for Native Americans it is 70.6 years. Native Americans alcoholism death rate is 770% of the general rate, their death rate from tuberculosis is 750% higher, for diabetes 420% higher. Of course they don't have as high a death rate from cancer. Like other Third World populations, without adequate health care and drinking water, they don't live long enough to die from cancer (speaking as whole, about averages for the general population -- not individuals). Source: US Indian Health Service G Newman, Exactly. Administration really should have said, "For example, American Indians die earlier." Gee, I wonder why they didn't put it that way? Posted by: scarshapedstar at January 13, 2004 10:20 PM | PERMALINKHere's a worry on the back of my mind... Is there some Republican actor that Rove will get to run against Waxman when he's up for reelection? Posted by: David at January 13, 2004 10:20 PM | PERMALINKWhat Zizka said: No. They have no shame, and neither do the trolls on this thread saying things like, "Everybody dies sometime." Posted by: Temperance at January 13, 2004 10:40 PM | PERMALINKBush and crew make conscious choices about the things they do. I truly wonder about this sometimes. Bush in particular strikes me as a very unconscious creature, largely acting out a role he believes is "right" with little understanding of the real, inexorable consequences of his decisions. And if O'Neill is to be believed, he was literally told as Secretary of Treasury that "Reagan proved deficits don't matter". To my ears that isn't cynicism; that's being utterly possessed by a fantasy ideology at the expense of basic reality. How much of it is fantasy and how much of it is rank powerlust? Or some weird combination of the two...like I said I wonder. It goes into the mystery of what evil is, what motivates people to do reprehensible things, and quite importantly--why do so many Americans seem to want to believe fantasies. Don't you dare give them a pass. They don't deserve it. I don't. I consider them criminals, zealots and dangerous people in positions of extreme power. Eventually, however, criminality or zealotry seems so innate in some people, that it becomes foolish to be surprised when a crime is committed, or a zealot ignores reality. It's time to move on to the strategy of defeating the snake. That is where the media should have stepped in long ago, because the deceptions have been so blatant and reckless. And the consequences are so predictable. They are morally culpable. The point of my post is that during a massive crime wave, eventually you have to ask why all the cops (aka the media) are eating donuts all day instead of taking down the criminals. That becomes the relevent question, and it's going to become the major issue as we approach the election cycle and the media rediscovers its love of crapping on Democrats and repeating lies. Whether it is right to have high moral expectations of political leaders is another question--the short answer is yes, of course--but at this point I'll settle for a decent Democrat and a mass media that is interested in telling the truth. Posted by: Tim B. at January 13, 2004 11:07 PM | PERMALINK"Shame" implies a sense of limits, of propriety. Oh, they have one, only it pretty much begins and ends at sexual behaviour. If, e.g., they feel totally mortified on seeing a naked-bosomed statue of Justice, or they're still ga-ga over a BJ that happened eight years ago to somebody else,they know they're decent people. By those standards, perverting a publicly funded study to make themselves look good, or (more commonly) some self-induced confusion about the difference between public money and their own wallet is, in comparison, a trivial gauge of their true mettle. Posted by: Molly, NYC at January 13, 2004 11:12 PM | PERMALINKThis administration makes no pretense of caring for any but the affluent, people like them. They understand that inequality and suffering is what keeps our country strong Everything is for the best in this best of all possible countries. Dead minorities PAY NO TAXES AT ALL!!! I think it unlikely that anyone would have tried to get away with American Indian cancer statistics that were purely a function of life expectancy, and to be honest it worries me that so many people in this thread have made that assumption without checking (I also haven't checked, but I haven't made the assumption either). My guess would be that American Indians tend to live outside cities. Posted by: dsquared at January 14, 2004 03:16 AM | PERMALINKOn the other hand, the Repug's mentioned us. Sharpton didn't when attacking Dean, and no one seemed to notice. Posted by: Eric at January 14, 2004 03:43 AM | PERMALINKDaniel-the House report itself mentions that the cancer finding maybe due to the shorter lifespan of Native Americans. The House report maybe wrong, but that would really require effort to find the issued report and see if the statistic is just a reported rate or actually the result of some type of probity model. I would guess the former. Posted by: Rob at January 14, 2004 05:34 AM | PERMALINKShame? The Heritage Foundation "demonstrates that the average "poor" person, as defined by the census, "has a living standard far higher than the public imagines." Because they own a tv and a crappy car, you see. No reason to pay attention to those "lucky duckies" anymore... Posted by: BAM at January 14, 2004 05:46 AM | PERMALINKIt's the MBA types that frame the argument in terms profitable to Wepublican lies. In Michigan, there is only fraction of the money remaining from the tobacco settlement during the Clinton years. That fraction was reserved for funding a life sciences initiative. Now a big chunk of that is going to fund training MBAs to administer "entrepreneurial efforts" in biotech. It is interesting how the Wepublican pro-business types are obsessed with perpetual motion and pulling oneself up by one's own bootstraps. It may be partially because such schemes are so amenable to fraud. Look at what has been done to NASA and the NIH. When people don't understand the process of science, it makes it far
easier to fool them with grand schemes, smoke, mirrors, and flashing
lights. Oh, they have one, only it pretty much begins and ends at sexual behaviour. Man, you don't even want to know what kinks those twisted puppies enjoy. Posted by: Casmir Radon at January 14, 2004 06:10 AM | PERMALINKI read years ago that Native Americans have a much lower rate of lung cancer. Combined with their dramatically higher rate of alcoholism--more or less a mirror image of the rates among whites--it was speculated that the root cause was natural selection: Native Americans were smoking tobacco for millennia before our arrival, but had never been exposed to alcohol, and vice versa. Consequently each race had zero resistance to each other's particular vice. Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel makes more or less the same point in re other epidemiological vectors. I frankly don't think that 6 years difference in life expectancy would be sufficient to explain the difference, though. But the Administration's debasement of science is disgusting however you cut it. 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