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November 04, 2003 GLOBAL WARMING: SEMI-FINAL UPDATE....In case you're wondering if there's an update on the global warming hooha that I wrote about a few days ago, David Appell reports that the authors of the original report now have a final preliminary reply up here. In laymen's terms, they say that their critics are completely full of shit and wouldn't know their ass from a hole in the ozone layer. They also promise to go silent on this until they have a formal published response ready. I think I will too. Posted by Kevin Drum at November 4, 2003 08:55 AM | TrackBackComments
National Review published a bunch of blatant lies on this yesterday. Don't know if you've seen it. Posted by: John Yuda at November 4, 2003 09:05 AM | PERMALINKIt doesn't matter. Hate to rain on your parade, but the democrats suffer when the new is bad. And, it isn't that people aren't aware of pollution. It's just that the democrats suffer when the news is bad. Part of the reason is that people aren't equipped to fix mother nature. And, when they feel gloom they 'blame' the democrats for making them unhappy. If you've got a better reason, go ahead. Fill in the blanks. But if you want to think Americans are gonna take science courses to catch up, it's not going to happen. And, when fires happen on the end of Davis' watch; where you get to hear state honchos kept the planes that could have nipped this in the bud, on the ground, because it was past 'bed time,' you're just not putting the pieces of the puzzle together. In unrelated news, Graham down in Florida is refusing to run again for his senate seat. Dooming another senate seat to probable republican control. So, while you're worried about 'warming' you should also be 'worried about cooling.' What has happened is that the passion for democratic solutions has met the ozone layer and dissipated up there, somewhere. Like Global Warming, show me the fixable solutions that work. Posted by: Carol in California at November 4, 2003 09:06 AM | PERMALINKWithout wishing to Luskin this whole thing. I have to say the NRO article by Murray seems to be straightforwardly defamatory: it says that MBH are academically fraudulent. Specifically it compares them to Michael Bellesiles, who lost his job and his reputation. Does Murray still live in the UK? If so, and if I were him, I would be just a little worried about being sued for libel here. (Not sure whether it would be quite so worrying in the US courts.) Posted by: Nasi Lemak at November 4, 2003 09:25 AM | PERMALINKThe facts don't matter. The only thing that matters to the pro-pollution folk is: if I google global climate change will I find "scientific" hits that support my stand? Rush "I'm In Pain" Limbaugh and his ilk support their propaganda by citing these "studies" and Dittoheads eat it up with a spoon. Posted by: chris at November 4, 2003 09:37 AM | PERMALINKThe sooner we destroy the enviroment the sooner Jesus will have to come lift us true believers off the planet. Posted by: Christina Jackson at November 4, 2003 09:41 AM | PERMALINKThe NRO article was unbelievable. Murray didn't even bother to pretend to get a response from MBH before suggesting they were guilty of academic fraud. You'd think even NRO might balk a bit before publishing something like that. I guess not. Posted by: Kevin Drum at November 4, 2003 10:02 AM | PERMALINKThe M&M article is undoubtedly a load of crap, but it served its purpose well: it's in the discourse and will be cited repeatedly by those trying to discredit global warming. If you respond that it was proven to be a load of crap, that it's methodology was (to put it charitably) suspect, you'll hear that such claims are only opinion, and that with so much disagreement in the scientific community, it makes no sense to change a single policy. ANd who is the average guy with an average education going to believe, the person who says he needs to pay $3.00 or $5.00 a gallon for gas, or the guy who says everything is just fine and that global warming has been proven to be a lie? Mission accomplished. Forget the war in Iraq or the war on terror. The biggest ongoing conflict is the war on the future, and the future is losing every battle. Posted by: jlw at November 4, 2003 10:58 AM | PERMALINKWhen economists and free-market ideologues talk about the environment, nothing they say can be trusted. Partly because they don't know anything about the environment, and partly because they have axes to grind. I'm 100% sure that the NRO authors will defend themself with some gobbledygook that only scientists will be able to see for what it is, allowing the average ideologue to say that they've successfully defended themselves, and forcing the ordinary citizen to say "Well I just don't know....some say... but others say...." Spreading confusion is the game; they don't have to convince anyone. But much more important: COULD SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME AGAIN WHAT THE GOOD THINGS ARE ABOUT PDF FILES? Because at this end, they're awful. No good things, and several different bad things. Posted by: Zizka at November 4, 2003 11:28 AM | PERMALINKThe good thing about PDFs is that they aren't Word doc files. Posted by: lefty skeptic at November 4, 2003 11:34 AM | PERMALINKZizka - it's obvious, isn't it? PDF files are much better than html
for when you want strict control of the layout of a document. People try
to do this in html and it results in documents that can't be read on
some browsers; pdf has the virtue of being a standard for which free
readers (in both the beer and speech senses) exist, and pdf documents
can also be produced through free (in beer and speech) software. Nasi, what are the free programs which will produce PDF files? I'd like to get ahold of them. Thanks. Barry - I'm pretty sure Open Office (openoffice.org) can produce PDFs. Posted by: lefty skeptic at November 4, 2003 01:38 PM | PERMALINKBarry - lefty skeptic is right, at least for the most recent versions of OO. Also you can print a postscript file from any Windows printer and then convert it using pstopdf (lowish quality pdfs, but readable). Finally you can use the LaTeX document preparation system and run pdflatex to produce pdf output. (There are probably other alternatives - I use OO if I need to produce a quick PDF file for something, LaTeX for most academic output.) Posted by: Nasi Lemak at November 4, 2003 01:50 PM | PERMALINKOK then, what's the "beer sense" of free reader? Posted by: Zizka at November 4, 2003 03:18 PM | PERMALINKSenator Inhofe already cited the M&M paper last Wednesday on the Senate Floor, that is, within a few days after M&M posted their "audit" on the web. How did he manage that? Posted by: EdZ at November 4, 2003 05:11 PM | PERMALINKas in, no-cost (as opposed to no-onerous license). Internet Exploder is free-beer free, but is oh-so-very-not free software, because it comes with the usual, onerous Microsquash license. in re: using free software to make PDFs, the easiest way is to make
your document using whatever program you like, print to a postscript
file instead of your printer, then use a utility like ps2pdf to call
ghostscript (free-beer and free) and generate your file. ..and not to get off-topic, but why exactly is it that people believe that because there are no answers in politics that there are similarly no answers in, say, math? criminy. it's people like that who think John Lott is anything other
than a cherrypicking partisan enabler. if only scientists had the
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