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October 28, 2003
THE MEMORY HOLE REVISITED....Yesterday I posted about the White House blocking access to parts of their site from search engines like Google. Was it an effort to prevent Google from caching pages that they might later want to change behind our backs?
Probably not. Ryan at the Dead Parrot Society says that 2600 magazine looked into this — via the sneaky ruse of actually talking to someone at the White House — and received an explanation that seems pretty innocent.
I guess there might be more to this, but unless someone with more
technical mojo than me can poke a hole in their explanation I'd judge it
to be pretty reasonable too. Looks like they're probably off the hook
for this one.
Posted by Kevin Drum at October 28, 2003 04:49 PM
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Darn. No spies in that scandal so I would have had an easier time forming an opinion.
Thanks for clearing that up. I really appreciate it when us lefties set an example by proactively correcting our mistakes :)
I'm willing to admit it's a mistake, but I'm not yet persuaded that
it is. The explanation from the White house doesn't sound that
convincing:
The attempt, Mr. Orr said, was that when people search, they should not get multiple copies of the same information.
Two questions: why is it worth some Whitehouse communications employee's
time/salary to make sure all of us out in the ether don't get multiple
copies of the same information?
And isn't it a piece of information in and of itself, perhaps worth
discovering via a Google search, that the same press release appears in
different sections of the website?
I could be convinced that this is all innocent, but if my first reaction is suspicion, can you blame me?
Does Google only supress redundant results if they're completely identical? Or does it do that for very similar results, too?
Yeah, it's possible there's more to this, but at this point I doubt it.
As for why, it was probably a brainstorm by one of the techies. We anal retentive types do that kind of thing, you know.
Geez - I wish we us you lefties would learn to use the nominative
case correctly. Do "we" correct a mistake or do "us" correct a mistake?
Do "I" poke a hole or does "me" poke a hole?
Sorry - twice within 6 inches just got to me.
Otherwise, we us you do great - hint, not us.
As a web techie I can tell you that it's not unusual to block robots
from directories containing content. In the good ole days a call for a
page returned just that: a single page/single file. With today's more
modern web publishing technologies pages are constructed on the fly from
several files (header, footer, different content windows, modules,
stylesheets, etc.) and content residing not in a file but in a database.
If a robot were allowed to search the directories of "parts" then
Google searches would lead to incomplete and unformatted pages being
returned. Not a good user experience. It would be like going to Avis and
being given just a fender instead of the whole car. The key to
determining whether the WH is trying to hide information lies in whether
or not there are links to pages that include these content parts about
Iraq on the pages that are allowed to be searched by the spider. If the
WH only makes these document links available via their own site's search
engine and not based on clickable links, then more than likely the
motivation is opacity and obfuscation not worry about maintaining a good
user experience. Robots don't do search forms! They follow clickable
links.
It's not difficult to make web pages that don't get indexed by search
engines. It's just a single line of code to add to the pages. I don't
know why getting duplicate pages in search results is a big deal to
them, though.
Actually, oldenglishtutor, the "me" ought to be a nominative
"I" because he's looking for "someone with more technical mojo than I [have]", not because "I can poke a hole in their explanation".
And by the way, are you a tutor of Old English/Anglo-Saxon, or an old tutor of Modern English?
tutor:
"us XXX" is acceptable in informal usage these days.
'us' in "us lefties" is used an adjective, not pronoun in that post.
Tell it to "us lefties" or "we lefties"? I understand the case
agreement involved but to me maintaining the complexity isn't desirable
for informal speech.
I wonder if those duplicate pages (with the different template) are
generated on the fly from one source document, or if they're static.
If they're static, then there'd be a risk that if they changed one
copy of a page, they'd forget to change the other. So blocking Google
would prevent the unmodified copy from turning up easily, and possibly
causing a faux pas.
If, on the other hand, a change in one place (such as a central
content database) would be reflected in both versions of the page, then
I'd say it probably is innocuous.
I had the same question as Jon. I am guessing they are all pulled
from the same database, at least that would make more sense, from a
technical perspective. If that is the case then the explanation from
the Whitehouse makes a lot of sense.
I have only one questions: What reason do you have for believing any information coming out of this White House?
MKK
I tend to believe the WH explanation. Keep in mind, it's entirely
voluntary for robots to obey the robots.txt protocol. I am certain that
crawlers have already been set up to do so. So if the Roveites really
had malicious intent, they're doing a bad job of implementing it. What
they would really want to do is configure the web server to ignore
requests from Googlebots.
Besides, it's not really the style of the administration. I would
expect them to send a court order to Google, declaring that caching of
government pages to be a violation of the DMCA.
thanks for the correction. We'll see if everyone else who creamed
their jeans over this one has the integrity to post their own
corrections.
Atrios, as of this moment, has not published a retraction.
WTF? Clicking on the "explanation" link does nothing but close my IE web browser. Never seen a link that did that before.
Simon--
That's probably just some sort of deadly clash between your browser and
the blog in question. Brad DeLong's site seems to be doing that to me
these days. (Note: I am not a techie, so don't believe me.)
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