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September 24, 2003

ROYAL DANISH BABIES ARE ON THE WAY....Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark is finally getting married, and not a moment too soon for those of us concerned about the Danish royal succession.

Hearty congratulations to Australia for finally marrying someone into a European royal house, of course, but really, in the end, what does it all mean? Why, just this:

The Danish Tourist Board is hoping to see "a healthy increase" in the number of Australian visitors as result of next month's marriage between Denmark's Crown Prince Frederick and Tasmanian Mary Elizabeth Donaldson.

It's great for tourism! Hooray for the happy couple!

Posted by Kevin Drum at September 24, 2003 09:45 PM | TrackBack


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Since it's a 13-hour flight from Oz to Hawai'i, I have no doubt the HVCB will be pleased about this as well. Some of those folks will surely want to stop here on the way to Denmark or on the way back.

Posted by: Linkmeister at September 24, 2003 10:17 PM | PERMALINK

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Nope. But if you're really curious I'll go upstairs and look to see what brand they are. Probably Top Siders.

What's funny is that although I seem to have become famous for those shoes, I practically never wear them. I'm basically a sneakers kind of guy.

Posted by: Kevin Drum at September 24, 2003 11:11 PM | PERMALINK

The real problem with the Danes is that they're in love with their dead language. I didn't see this problem until I read Jim Rogers' Book, Adventure Capitalist. Where he starts his global trip in ICELAND. Hmm. Danish. And, the kids there have to learn to speak Danish in school. Wow. Wouldn't it be better, he wrote, to teach English, Chinese, or Spanish? There are only 3-million Danish speakers world wide.

So they have this ancient tradition of getting all excited that they're royal is marrying a royal. Didn't Princess Diana retire this prize?

Isn't it about time we modernized?

Posted by: Carol in California at September 25, 2003 01:51 AM | PERMALINK

Carol; "There are only 3-million Danish speakers world wide."

That's 5,384,384 last time I checked it up, but if you like to call it only 3 million be my guest.

But then you are into the Oh Reilly school of geography, ya know the guy on FOX that told the world that Sweden only had three million people too, and he had the numbers to prove it. =)

But Swedish is ofcourse a dead language so who cares? All the world should learn to speak english so that the ahmrucans don't need to make any efforts. Right?

Posted by: Bitz at September 25, 2003 04:08 AM | PERMALINK

I had the misfortune to visit England just before Charles and Diana got hitched. Their wedding spawned an entire industry of souvenir items- plates, ashtrays, books, tablecloths, umbrellas, all manner of tchotchkes. I imagine all that junk is now selling for good money on Ebay.

Posted by: peter jung at September 25, 2003 04:30 AM | PERMALINK

"only 3 million Danish speakers" . . . . so what? There aren't much more Irish speakers or Flemish speakers I'd imagine. Why does it bother you? Want to kill all the little languages? Jeez.

Posted by: irishspeaker at September 25, 2003 04:43 AM | PERMALINK

"Why does it bother you? Want to kill all the little languages? Jeez."

If that's what she thinks, she should be advocating for Mandarin (some stories I've heard indicate it might be the fastest growing language in the US as well).

Posted by: Michael Farris at September 25, 2003 05:47 AM | PERMALINK

"If that's what she thinks, she should be advocating for Mandarin."
I Like the sound of that.
C'mon Carrol hows yer Mandarin, and we don't mean the fruit? =)

Posted by: Bitz at September 25, 2003 05:50 AM | PERMALINK

Don't knock the tourism value of this, there really are people, many in the US, who are absolutely obsessed with royal families. The British royal family brings in millions of tourism dollars every year, and everything connected with royalty is extremely popular.

Posted by: Mark at September 25, 2003 07:21 AM | PERMALINK

"Don't knock the tourism value of this, there really are people, many in the US, who are absolutely obsessed with royal families. The British royal family brings in millions of tourism dollars every year, and everything connected with royalty is extremely popular."

Yeah, but at least the British royals offer value for what they offer (not least in terms of deep, satisfying schadenfreude).
I thought Scandinavian royals are just kind of nice, boring folks who don't try to put on the dog too much, unlike the glorious trainwreck that was/is/and always will be the house of Windsor.

Posted by: Michael Farris at September 25, 2003 07:25 AM | PERMALINK

There is no royal house anywhere that isn't a huge parasite on their country. One of these days, their citizens will wake up to the fact that these "elites" take far more than they give.

Vive le Revolution!

Posted by: pessimist at September 25, 2003 07:26 AM | PERMALINK

Slow news day? I guess.

Posted by: Zizka at September 25, 2003 07:35 AM | PERMALINK

"If that's what she thinks, she should be advocating for Mandarin."

Shu mu? Lao tien foo, fei hua. Da bianhua. Nah mei guan shee.

Please excuse my horrendous pinyin and the fact that most of my Mandarin is insults.

As for royalty, it's absurd.

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Posted by: Jack at September 25, 2003 07:49 AM | PERMALINK

Who said that the Swedish is a dead language? There is such a country where people speak this language. It seems like norway, but belive me - they r different. I studied swedish for some period of time. So who said that?

Posted by: Online Poker at September 25, 2003 07:54 AM | PERMALINK

IANSCTHRJRB(I Am Not Someone Cursed To Have Read Jim Roger's Book) but where does he get off saying what Icelandic people's should learn in school. I'm pretty sure that they do learn English, but the reason they learn Danish is that most of them come to Denmark to study - so Denmark should stop speaking Danish so that people from Iceland can focus on learning another language.

As a general rule Danes have an easy time speaking with Norwegians and Swedish people as well, so although each of these languages is relatively small they communicate well with each other.

Also Mary Donaldson, the woman mentioned, is, as was also mentioned, from Australia. I doubt she's from the Australian royal family cause there ain't one.

Finally, Hey, great job, you managed to find some rather tacky article commercializing the event thus allowing you to snark all over said event, you've invalidated the whole thing.

Posted by: bryan at September 25, 2003 08:03 AM | PERMALINK

Bryan: just having some fun. I am a considerable fan of Denmark.

I might add that the Scandinavian royal families tend to be genuine credits to their country, unlike some I could name. And Danes almost universally speak wonderful English. Hell, the queen of Denmark practically speaks better English than me.

Posted by: Kevin Drum at September 25, 2003 08:28 AM | PERMALINK

Pessimist - Being a left wing Brit myself, I used to think the same, but after the self styled presidential aspirations of Thatcher and Blair, I'm beginning to think they have some real constitutional value.

Posted by: Mark at September 25, 2003 08:41 AM | PERMALINK

Mark, after seing Bush, I'm happy that there still are some constitutional monarchies left.
Some times the royals suck (not very often in Scandinavia) but they don't have any formal power so if one of them belongs in a loonie bin he want make any real damage. The best part being that the guy in the palace can't claim to have been elected by the people either.... whoops forgot about the last election.
Anyway royals today work as figureheads for their nations not as the descission makers, and a figure head has no other function on a ship than looking good and make the ship easy to identifie from a distance. Which is exactly what you get from royals. Because if you only sit 4-8 years and you are not the president of U.s. or some other powerfull nation who's going to recognice you abroad without a briefing?
For the moment royals have real market value exactly as a well worked brand in business.
You know what you get, and what it represents.

Posted by: Bitz at September 25, 2003 09:32 AM | PERMALINK

Officially there is an Australian royal family - they just happen to live in London and only show up when there are special events to attend or outback holidays to have. At least, Australian monarchists constantly tell us that the Queen is not just Queen of England, she is also Queen of Australia, so by those lights their our royal family too.

But I thought Kevin was congratulating the people of Australia for the marriage, and I for one am quite happy to accept the congratulations.

Posted by: Brian Weatherson at September 25, 2003 09:54 AM | PERMALINK

As I recall, Denmark is oldest continuous monarchy in Western Europe -- maybe the world. This is good news for royal genome, although I'm sure the Danes will have figure something out if no heirs are produced.

Posted by: Charles Knutson at September 25, 2003 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

I thought Scandinavian royals are just kind of nice, boring folks

Actually Crownprince Frederik was well know as a wild partygoer when he was younger, and he is an elite soldier (part of Jægerkorpset/the Hunter's Corps if that tells anyone anything - it is regarded one of the elite corps in the world).

As I recall, Denmark is oldest continuous monarchy in Western Europe

The Queen's ancestors' rule can be traced back to at least 958 AD (see http://www.um.dk/english/danmark/danmarksbog/kap1/1-1.asp )

I'm sure the Danes will have figure something out if no heirs are produced.

While the Crownprince still hasn't any children, his younger brother (who so far is next in line after him) has two children, so there are plenty of heirs.

I won't even comment on Danish being a dead language.

Oh, and for the record, I am not looking forward to all the hype about the marriage. It was bad enough when his younger brother got married.

Posted by: Kristjan Wager at September 25, 2003 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Stone the bloody crows. An Australian is about to marry royalty.If we are to remain a constitutional monarchy, let it be Danish.

Posted by: John C at September 25, 2003 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

John C: "An Australian is about to marry royalty.If we are to remain a constitutional monarchy, let it be Danish."

But then you'll all have to learn that dead language.

Actually, now, I'm curious. I assume the bride will have to learn Danish and I wonder what on earth Asutralian accented Danish would sound like. Nothing suitable for delicate souls, I'm sure.

Posted by: Michael Farris at September 25, 2003 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

As to the language thing: as an American living in Norway I can tell you that all the Scandanavians speak terrific English (many much better than a lot of Americans I know). And since I can read, speak and understand Norwegian I can also read Danish (virtually the same as written Norwegian), understand spoken Swedish, mostly read Swedish (it is a bit different) but can barely understand spoken Danish (they sound like they are swallowing a tennis ball whole and trying to speak Norwegian at the same time). Norwegians also begin learning English in the first grade and learn, usually, German or French in high school.

Not that any probably cared about that but I felt like writing it.

Posted by: platosearwax at September 25, 2003 12:49 PM | PERMALINK

Michael, she has already learned a lot of Danish.

And I don't think Australian accented Danish is bad, but then I'm biased as I grew up with a Danish-speaking Australian mum.

Posted by: Kristjan Wager at September 25, 2003 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

(they sound like they are swallowing a tennis ball whole and trying to speak Norwegian at the same time)

Hey!
Why on earth would we want to speak Norwegian? It's just a mix of Danish and Swedish anyway (historicaly Norway has belonged either to Denmark or Sweden up to the 19th century).

Posted by: Kristjan Wager at September 25, 2003 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

Actually I think Danish sounds a lot like (British) English must sound like to people who don't speak it.
Years ago a Danish friend showed me a Danish movie (no subtitles, he just sort of narrated the hilights). I thought it sounded like English put through a scrambler - I couldn't understand anything, but I kept thinking I should.

Posted by: Michael Farris at September 25, 2003 01:04 PM | PERMALINK

Well as a general rule I think Danes sound awful when speaking English, Norwegian's I guess are okay. I'm speaking of one's that are competent in the language but still have a noticeable accent, most people seem to feel that english-speaking people's accents in Danish is like nails on a chalkboard as well.

Posted by: bryan at September 25, 2003 01:17 PM | PERMALINK

I'm Danish, so I'm obviously biased, but the royal wedding is a big story over here. We had a major blackout of half of Denmark and Sweden the day before, and it was all forgotten when the press release came out the day after.

There has been speculations for years about the prince's marriage, and he has had a long list of girlfriends, models, a singer-songwriter, a TV presenter, ..., but never somebody that people could imagine as queen, until this Mary Donaldson turned up.

The prince cannot marry without the consent of the head of state, his mother, and the state council, which is the government presided by the queen. They will give their consent on 10/8 and the wedding will be in spring.

There is absolutely no doubt that the secret services here have had Mary and her family through the big wringer to see if there were any hidden scandals there, like drinking excessive debts, gambling, promiscuity, criminality, whatever. It seems they all came out clean.

In principle I'm a republican, since people should merit their position, not inherit it, but in practice the monarchy has around 90% popular support, so it is not a political issue. As long as they are well-behaved, that won't change. If they start behaving like the English royal family, consensus will wane. There is also the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Constitutional monarchy actually works quite well. It ensures stability around the head of state position, which is purely decorative anyway, and it is good business. If the queen visits the US, her presense causes some headlines, which probably wouldn't happen to the same extent if we had a president. Whenever the royals travel they have a huge entourage of businessmen with them, trying to cash in on the attention, and it works. The publicity value of the monarchy is substantial.

The royals have a long tradition for picking spouses from abroard. The queens mother was from Sweden, her husband is French and her first daughter-in-law of mixed English-Austrian-Hong Kong origin, and now there'll be an Australian in the family. Is a kind of globalisation, I guess.

As for the language, the Hong Kong princess learnt the language in about six months and speaks it brilliantly. Mary will too, because it is paramount for her future success as queen. She probably already speaks it quite well, since she has lived here for over a year, working for the local branch of MicroSoft (another royal family and business connection).

Posted by: René at September 25, 2003 01:46 PM | PERMALINK

Why on earth would we want to speak Norwegian?

Well, I would because I live here (in Norway that is). Yeah, Norwegian is basically Danish with a Swedish accent but damned if I can understand the Danes when they talk.

Posted by: platosearwax at September 26, 2003 12:02 AM | PERMALINK

... but damned if I can understand the Danes when they talk.

Weird, I have no problems! There must have been something wrong with your upbringing :-)

Posted by: René at September 26, 2003 01:55 AM | PERMALINK

I have to second René *smile*

Posted by: Kristjan Wager at September 26, 2003 05:46 AM | PERMALINK

Ahem...

Sydney Morning Herald:

Naturally, our own media organs are equally thrilled. The word fairytale - traditionally employed on such occasions - has been polished up and rolled out into service again. I have seen or heard it about two dozen times already, and the nuptials are months away. And a hackette from The Daily Telegraph burbled that Mary would be the first Australian girl to marry into royalty: grim news for [Her Royal Highness the] Princess Michael of Kent, the former Chrissie Reibnitz, daughter of a Double Bay hairdresser, who rather thinks she has that honour.

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