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September 19, 2003

A TAXONOMY OF LIES....The Bush administration tells a lot of different kinds of lies....um, untruths. What kinds are there?

Paul Krugman likes to focus on the brazen lie, the kind favored by Dick Cheney this weekend that finally got the press up in arms. As Krugman points out, this is the kind of lie where Bush says (during the 2000 election) that he's going to take a trillion dollars out of Social Security and this will make the system stronger. It's completely outrageous, but if you say it loudly enough and with enough confidence, people believe it. After all, no one would make up something that crazy unless it were actually true, right?

Josh Marshall thinks Bush's specialty is "the confidently expressed, but currently undisprovable assertion." For example, the idea that his 2003 tax cut proposal would spur job growth was almost universally scorned by mainstream economists, but you couldn't prove it wouldn't work, so he got away with it.

But I think the real hallmark of the Bush administration is the technical lie, a statement that's very carefully constructed to leave an incorrect impression — but that turns out to be technically true if you parse it closely enough. Here are a few examples from different policy areas to show what I'm talking about:

  • Stem cells. Back in 2001 George Bush said "more than 60 genetically diverse stem cell lines already exist....and they have the ability to regenerate themselves indefinitely, creating ongoing opportunities for research."

    If you look at the words very carefully, this is technically true. The reality, however, is that at the time of of his speech there was only one genuinely usable stem cell line — something Bush's team knew perfectly well. (And even today there are less than a dozen usable lines.) But everybody watching his speech came away with the clear impression that there were plenty of promising stem cell lines available for scientists to play around with.

  • The 16 words. In his State of the Union speech, Bush said, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

    Again, this is technically true: British intelligence did say this (and they still do). But American intelligence didn't believe it and Bush knew this very well. His words were very carefully chosen to leave the clear impression that we had proof of this activity while still leaving him an out if questioned about it.

  • The dividend tax cut. Hawking Bush's dividend tax cut earlier this year, the White House said "More than 40 percent of people who receive dividends make under $50,000 per year...."

    Again, this is technically true: 40% of people who receive dividends make under $50,000 a year. However, this is clearly designed to make it sound like 40% of dividend income goes to these people, which is not true. The vast, vast majority of dividend income goes to the rich, and people who make under $50,000 generally own no more than a few shares of stock apiece (often in the company they work for). The average tax cut on these few shares of stock averaged less than $30 per year for those making under $50,000.

The brazen lie and the "nondisprovable" lie are bad enough — but I guess they don't bother me as much as they should because I feel like all politicians do this. But the fact that you have to parse the Bush administration's words so ultra-finely in order to get to their meaning strikes me as something new. It's as if they listened to Bill Clinton talking about the meaning of the word "is" and suddenly got a brainstorm that this technique could be applied to everything.

And this is why the president's fans can pretend to be outraged when he's called on his lying. "It's not a lie!" they scream, and they're right in a hyper-technical sense. But in every other sense, they're dead wrong. What else do you call a deliberate — but very carefully crafted — attempt to deceive?

Posted by Kevin Drum at September 19, 2003 10:54 AM | TrackBack


Comments

Well, "Bushism" is already taken.. "Roveism" immortalizes a guy who really doesn't deserve any more publicity...

I dunno.

btw, I think 'serial exaggerators' is a better label for this administration than 'liars'; harder for them to disprove *or* get up in arms about. Plus, it worked for them in 2000 when it wasn't even close as far as who exaggerated more...

Posted by: V of ValueJudgment at September 19, 2003 11:04 AM | PERMALINK

"Sophistry" seems like a good moniker to me -- but I don't know that it would catch on.

Posted by: Brandonimac at September 19, 2003 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

The problem is the harsh word "lie" and the fact that "lie' is attributed to just about everything thing the adminstration says that the left disagrees with. And that it has obviously become an official Democratic party election strategy. The lie litany may be fine when you are only talking to yourselves, but mainstream America is more reasonable and moderate. A mistake is not a lie. A disagreement is not a lie. A mispeak is not a lie. A changed position is not a lie. So far, no one has documented one single real lie. They are all cute "interpretive" lies.

Posted by: Doug Rivers at September 19, 2003 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

Fuzzy truth.

Posted by: LowLife at September 19, 2003 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

who wants to take bets on how long it will take before we see "But Clllliiiintooooon did it tooooooo!" ?

Posted by: ChrisL at September 19, 2003 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

More important than the categories of lies is the sheer number of them being shoveled out. The Bushies know that it requires a hell of a lot more effort to deconstruct a lie than to tell one.

More importantly, debunking requires a great deal of attention on the media and public's part, something which is in extremely short supply.

Posted by: Sven at September 19, 2003 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

Bastion of Bullshit

Posted by: vachon at September 19, 2003 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

Great analysis. But out of style! Truth is just an incidental data point of little consequence to the American people or to the mainstream media.

We need real "leaders" like GWB and Arnold who are manly enough to triumph over the truth and lead the people to greatness.

Posted by: Truth=Treason at September 19, 2003 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

"Sophistry" would make too many people think of the word "sophomore" ... and noone really wants to revisit those years. Witness the quick demise of the fine "Freaks and Geeks".

[/tongue in cheek]

Seriously ... I don't really care how "up in arms" those on the Right get about using the term "liar" when it comes to Bush and key members of his administration. If it smells like a lie, tastes like a lie and sounds like a lie...

It's a lie.

I love the Clinton "meaning of the word 'is' is" comparison, by the way. I anxiously await the frothing and much beating of breasts about that comment from those on the Right who still think Clinton was The Great Evil.

Posted by: jpb at September 19, 2003 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

Parse-i-money.

Posted by: LowLife at September 19, 2003 11:19 AM | PERMALINK

Virtual veritus.

Posted by: LowLife at September 19, 2003 11:23 AM | PERMALINK

I actually agree with Doug that "lie" may have been used too often of late.

That said, ask your friends and neighbors whether they trust Bush. My impression is that the number of people who do is going way, way down -- as it should.

If "lie" isn't the right word, "mistake" won't do it in most cases. "Mislead" is fine with me.

Alternately, if they really do make this many mistakes...well, then I can accept that they're just that incompetent.

I see no good way out of this for Bush & Co.

Posted by: Brandonimac at September 19, 2003 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

You forgot:

The lie wrapped in a plain red, white and blue wrapper:

Democrats would have you believe that Saddam didn't attack us on 9/11 but Halliburton did. (Coulter)

It is ludicrous to suggest that there is any conflict of interest on the part of the Vice President.

If the president lied to us about WMD in Iraq I will never believe him again. (O'Reilly)

Posted by: Ralph at September 19, 2003 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

Krugman an an analyzer of truth?

He, like Kevin has turned into an apologist for destructive leftist myths.

Posted by: Matt Young at September 19, 2003 11:27 AM | PERMALINK

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

I think the word "learned" elevates this to an out-and-out lie. It could have been stated as "The British government informs us that ..." without lying. But that probably sounded too weak for Bush.
"Learned" has the implication that it is a *fact* that the British government discovered. After all, you don't "learn" that 2+2=5.

Posted by: lefty skeptic at September 19, 2003 11:27 AM | PERMALINK

...And another benefit to lying in volume — If you can get your critics to spend all their time and effort debunking your bullshit, it makes them look like obsessive, shrill whiners, per Doug Rivers comment above.

The critics therefore fall out of the "mainstream," because the majority of people don't have the time, inclination or capacity to keep up. The critics' complaints turn into a constant hum, and before long no one notices it.

Posted by: Sven at September 19, 2003 11:27 AM | PERMALINK

"Clintonesque"

That's what all the conservative pundits were calling this sort of parsed lie a couple of years ago when Bill was lying about where his willie had been.

The thing is, Bush has out Clintoned Clinton on this one. By a mile. And on matters of grave national importance.

Or to revive another golden oldie:

It's the lying, stupid!

Posted by: uh_clem at September 19, 2003 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

Deceively?
Misleader?
Decepture?

I'll bet the French have a word for it.

Posted by: trout at September 19, 2003 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

Matt Young has a real gift for bald, conclusory assertions. I don't remember seeing him cite to anything, ever.

Posted by: JP at September 19, 2003 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

Newspeak.

Posted by: wolf at September 19, 2003 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

How about "The Trust Gap"? You know, like the missile gap, or something?

Posted by: Kevin Drum at September 19, 2003 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

Casuistry.

Posted by: --kip at September 19, 2003 11:50 AM | PERMALINK

Mr. President, we must not allow a mineshaft gap!

Posted by: Haggai at September 19, 2003 11:51 AM | PERMALINK

Matt Y's is the ultimate troll post and defines the defense of Bush from the right. It's really the liberals who are lying, not us. I can't actually cite anything (as opposed to the mountains of evidence that can be found all over the internet that directly contradict statements made by the Bushies) but I don't have to. All I have to do is speak the word "liberal" or "left" and then I'm right.

It speaks for itself.

Posted by: David Perlman at September 19, 2003 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

The lawyers in the audience know exactly what Bush does: he talks to us citizen - types the way lawyers argue to judges. Nothing is ever quite false, because that causes the opposing lawyer to point out the falsehood to the judge, usually resulting in judicial wrath, sanctions, losing the case and so forth and so on.
But what Bush and his handlers say is never quite accurate either. (That's why when witnesses are sworn in, they're sworn to tell "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" because if you're not telling all the truth and nothing but, then you're not really telling the truth at all.)
Judges expect that each side in a case will tell them the version which best supports that side, and use their own legal/judicial experience, plus the other side's pointing out the various mistakes and omissions to figure out what's really going on.
Fine for the courtroom, not so fine for John Q. Citizens don't have the time or the energy to play "Judge" with everything Bush tells them. They have the right to expect that they will be told all the truth, the good the bad and the ugly.
Yes, Bush isn't the first to have engaged in this kind of deception, yes, Democratic Presidents have done so as well. That dismal fact is certainly not a justification for Bush's wholesale engaging in it now. Also, the last few times it's happened will be written about in the history books as how a President should not treat the American people.
Vietnam, Watergate, Iran - Contra: Bush and Karl were supposed to have learned that these were not good things. The conclusion they were surely not supposed to draw is that the administrations of Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan stand for the proposition that lying all the time to the American people by not telling them the whole truth is just a swell idea.

Posted by: fbg46 at September 19, 2003 11:57 AM | PERMALINK

Matt ought to look back at some of the older blog articles to understand something: Kevin has a long record as being a moderate Dem. His disgust with the Bush administrations casual attitude towards truth mirrors the evolution of the views of centrist Dems. I don't view myself as a fire-breather of the far left. He clearly isn't one either. Look at the articles on the Ca recall - he seriously looked at the gop candidates and might well have voted for ueberroth if he had stayed in. But both of us have concluded that we simply can't trust the Bush administration to level with us on matters of public policy.

This Democratic attitude towards Bush was cemented
by his behavior in the fall of 2002 and the runup to the Iraq war. We see GOP spokesmen march out and willfully distort things. Note that Kevin gives some rather specific examples. When this happens often enough, it simply removes the point of a policy debate; what is the use of a dialog with someone who can't even agree about facts, let alone their interpretation?

I think that Bush is far more vulnerable to having what he says being dismissed as yet-another-whopper than his critics are of being dismissed as yet-another-Bush-hater.
The former is subject to verification, and the latter is only tangentially related to the truth of the criticisms. People with had motives can sometimes be right. Nobody believes a compulsive liar.

Marc

Posted by: Marc at September 19, 2003 12:04 PM | PERMALINK

Agreed, fbg46, accept that Bush was hailed as the second-coming of Reagan - and that, obviously, was meant as a compliment from those on the Right that idolize Ronnie for making use feel good about being Americans again and defeating the Red Menace. Or something.

So, I'm sure he learned the lessons from the Reagan administration. Just all the wrong ones.

Posted by: jpb at September 19, 2003 12:07 PM | PERMALINK

A favorite tactic of some of the regulars on Tacitus' blog is that "technically" Bush did not lie or "technically," we cannot prove that Bush lied because we cannot truly know whether the statement was an honest mistake, a misstatement, a technically true but misleading statement, or a statement with deliberate intent to deceive (the only definition of "lie" that some of them will accept).

Personally, I find such statements to be silly. If it looks like a lie, smells like a lie and misleads like a lie -- it's a lie. That's even more true when so many of get tossed our way. I can accept one or two mistakes or misstatements, but dozens?

Posted by: PaulB at September 19, 2003 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

How about "The Trust Gap"? You know, like the missile gap, or something?

Kevin, how could you have forgotten our old friend the Credibility Gap?

Posted by: blivet at September 19, 2003 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

It's also worth noting that lies like these may have consequences. The Bush administration lied to sell the American public on the Iraq war. I seem to recall some pundits on the right even stating that this was necessary, that the public would never have gone along with the necessary grand Middle East rebuilding strategy on its own merits.

Well, now the lies are falling apart. Public support for the Iraq endeavor is falling, month by month, and the whole strategy may end up being doomed precisely because they lied to get us there.

Posted by: PaulB at September 19, 2003 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

But to go back to Doug Rivers for a moment, there is nothing "cute," (even in the "too cute by half" sense) about the kinds of drivel spouted by the backbone administration and its leader.

There was nothing "cute" about describing the "average" result of tax cut I, there was nothing "cute" about the Trifecta, there was nothing "cute" about "we found them, the weapons of mass destruction," there was nothing "cute" about "saddam wouldn't allow the inspectors in," there was nothing "cute" about the selling of the recent tax cut that kevin referred to, there was nothing "cute" about deliberately fuzzing the relationship between saddam and 9/11, there's nothing "cute" about any of this, because it's all very uncute to the american national interest.

How honest conservatives can stand this man is truly beyond me.

Posted by: howard at September 19, 2003 12:20 PM | PERMALINK

My favorite Bush & follower's technique isn't the lies so much as the assertions that you can't disprove.

Such as "Sure our economy's a mess but it would be worse if it wasn't for my tax cuts."

And "Sure Iraq is a mess but it would have been worse if we hadn't gone in."

And they never try to defend it, they just attack you for asking questions:

"What, you're for confiscatory taxation?"

"What, you're supporting the continued reign of Saddam Hussein?"

They can't *all* be that simple-minded, which is why they p&ss me off so much. They'd rather have the emotional rush of attacking an "enemy" (be it France or just capital-l Liberals), from safely behind their keyboards or course, than actually deal with the complexities of the subject at hand.

Posted by: doesn't matter at September 19, 2003 12:21 PM | PERMALINK

Vico considered the detachment of the letter of truth from the spirit of truth to be the hallmark of moral decay.

Posted by: wetzel at September 19, 2003 12:23 PM | PERMALINK

My favorite lie is the one where all the individual statements are true, but do not actually lead up to the conclusion. Often used with what I call "the power of the implied conclusion": simply refrain from stating the conclusion you would like your audience to draw from what you've shown, so they have to imagine it for themselves -- and you can't be held responsible for that which they imagine and which you did not state explicitly.

May be combined with the lie of leaving out relevant details -- the individual statements leave out relevant information that would disrupt the link between them to the conclusion.

Posted by: taktile at September 19, 2003 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, I get this from my conservative friends all the time. I bring up lie after lie and they say "well, you can't be *sure* it's a lie" or "there is some far-out possibility in which the President might not be actually telling an untruth" and that is enough for them. No matter how many of them. It's sad, really.

Posted by: Norman at September 19, 2003 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

Not that I think Bush writes his own remarks, but the technical lie you mention is the one addicts love best so I'm not surprised he uses it so well.

Posted by: Paper Trail in 2004 at September 19, 2003 12:27 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin,

On the uranium statement, it is not obvious that the statement was even "technically accurate". There's the "learned", the "significant quantities", there's "recently". Regardless, what is more interesting is all the lies and contradictory statements made in order to defend that statement starting in April - which itself calls into question the veracity of those 16 words. Earlier today I sent you a note on this very topic and I have dissected this Uranium issue, among others at this site. Neither Spinsanity nor Daily Howler did real justice to this topic, and I have attempted to do that here:
http://www.compassiongate.com/moralclarity/cc203a.htm#NUCLEARAFTER

Additionally, with respect to statements on dividend tax cuts, etc., there is extensive coverage of all the misleading statements and outright fabrications here.
http://www.compassiongate.com/moralclarity/index.htm

Regards

Posted by: TR at September 19, 2003 12:40 PM | PERMALINK

So we have many examples of the documentation of Bush' lies, yet no examples so far of the "destructive leftist myths."


hmmmm. . .

Posted by: David Perlman at September 19, 2003 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

A lie.

Bush's supporters are lying about the meaning of the word "lie." It doesn't mean the same as "disprovable logical falsehood." It means a deceptive statement.

Posted by: Steve Huntley at September 19, 2003 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

Does Bush lie? Technically, no. Does he attempt to deceive. Absolutely yes.

lie:
1 a : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive b : an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker
2 : something that misleads or deceives
3 : a charge of lying

Nothing ambiguous about this definition. Bush intends to deceive. Seems perfectly reasonable to call it a lie.

Posted by: Mary at September 19, 2003 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

From the perspective of a substance abuse situation:

When a person WILL NOT admit that, despite ALL indications, they have a problem, we simply state "He/She is in denial".

Sounds like a lot of my republican friends regarding their position to deny GWB's propensity to mislead...

They like to call me names, so I just call them
DENIALICANS

Posted by: David at September 19, 2003 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

Your third example (dividends) only shows that Bush engages in the same sort of spin that almost every politician does when dealing with a quantitatively unsophisticated public.

For example, liberals often use the argument that 95% of the Bush tax cut goes to the richest 1% (I'm making up the numbers because I can't remember them, but we've all heard the argument). This is technically true, but the statement is designed to leave the impression that most people will see no immediate dollar benefit from the tax cut. Which is of course is false. Someone in the 15% bracket, whose rate falls to 10% under the Bush plan, ends up with a quantity of extra money in his or her pocket that is quite significant for someone at that income level. Yes, someone with a seven figure income gets much much more, but that doesn't mean that the amount a low income household gets from the tax cut is meaningless.

Now, you can argue that the public cost of the tax cut is too big, and that therefore people on the low end of the income spectrum would be better off without it. But saying that the top 1% gets 95% of the tax cut isn't the same as making that argument.

The Bushies spin the tax cut in relative terms - the drop in rates for a low income household is bigger than the drop in rates for a high income household. This is true. The Dems spin the tax cut in absolute terms - the dollar value of the tax cut for a low income houshold is much lower than the dollar value of the tax cut for a high income household. This is also true (and its also true in the aggregate). Which is more important is a matter of judgement that is glossed over by each party's spin.

Posted by: sd at September 19, 2003 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

The technique fbg46 describes is found in spades in how the Administration has manipulated the issue of smallpox and its presence (or lack thereof, as seems to be proven by yesterday's news from "Team Pox") in Iraq.

Posted by: Ross at September 19, 2003 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

I would think that the carefully crafted technical lying the Bush adminstration engages in also indicates the *intent* to mislead. They are planning on not telling the truth, but they want to do it in a way that doesn't trap them. Pretty damn clever, actually, and very out of keeping with the straight shooting cowboy we saw on the campaign trail. I guess that was also misleading, though. We'll just toss that mislead onto the pile.

Bush: the wartime Misleader

Posted by: Maureen at September 19, 2003 01:00 PM | PERMALINK

The Bushies foster false impressions in order to get what they want. Bush may have never baldly lied about Iraqi WMDs, but his administration did plenty to advance the belief that they did and that they were an imminent threat to the U.S. As such, it basically amounts to the good old bait-n-switch technique of deception.

Posted by: David W. at September 19, 2003 01:17 PM | PERMALINK

You want the truth?

"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"

Posted by: chris at September 19, 2003 01:21 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, David W, just for the record, they did lie - in the absolute, direct sense of the term - about iraqi WMDs.

They insisted that we "know" that Saddam has WMDs. We "knew" no such thing; we surmised and extrapolated and made a reasonable judgement based on intel or all kinds of other things, but we didn't "know."

Posted by: howard at September 19, 2003 01:21 PM | PERMALINK

While it's true that the Bush administration prefers to say things that are narrowly true (or unprovable) but highly misleading, they do also engage in a fair amount of out and out lying. I provided some documented examples at http://calpundit.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=2100. (Scroll way down, or search for "Kamel.")

It's interesting to me that people claim that this is not so, because there's just no question that it is. The Bush administration -- even with an extremely narrow definition of the term -- lies. They lie a great deal, and about many extremely important subjects. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for so many people to admit, but there it is.

Posted by: Jon at September 19, 2003 01:28 PM | PERMALINK

Well, the problem as I see it, is that if you are going to convince the public that Bush lied, you can't start out by saying, "well he was technically correct, but..." or "go read Krugman". Whatever. Again, "lie" is a harsh mean, word. If you are going to use and want it to be perceived as more than partisan propaganda, you need a clear cut case - something that somebody other than your own ideological "choir" will believe.

Posted by: Doug Rivers at September 19, 2003 01:33 PM | PERMALINK

Howard, it's true that the Bushies said they 'knew' Iraq had WMDs, but now say that the intelligence they relied on was faulty. So they didn't really lie. Plausible deniability, in other words.

Kind of like the used car saleman who tells you that he 'knows' the car he's selling has only 50,000 miles on it. But is later shocked, shocked to hear that the previous owner in fact turned the odometer back 100,000 miles. After you've bought the car, of course.

Posted by: David W. at September 19, 2003 01:35 PM | PERMALINK

The biggest Bush falsehood for me is the reversed justification for the two big tax cuts. In 2001, there was a surplus, so according to Bush and company, we could afford to send money back to the taxpayers (the Dems agreed, just not on the magnitude and nature of the appropriate tax cuts). Then in 2003, with big deficits already in place, they said we needed the largest tax cut possible so that it would stimulate the economy and result in higher revenues than if there had been no cut at all! In other words, according to Bush, tax cuts reduced revenues in 2001, and then increased revenues in 2003. In spite of all the lies about Iraq, I don't remember them ever offering reasons for that policy that directly contradicted each other, as they so blatantly did with their tax cuts. And, of course, they completely got away with it.

Posted by: Haggai at September 19, 2003 01:37 PM | PERMALINK

How come we had to get a Clintonian(i) president when it comes to lies but a Nixonian(ii) president when it comes to the economy, national security, the environment, civil liberties, etc.?

(i) Not fair to Clinton

(ii) Not fair to Nixon

Posted by: phil at September 19, 2003 01:54 PM | PERMALINK

Superb post, and the followup from fbg46 is good, too. I've long been struck by the frequency with which GWB and his minions speak as if they're eventually going to have to defend their statements in a court of law.

Posted by: penalcolony at September 19, 2003 01:54 PM | PERMALINK

How about "Our Fearless Misleader"? Kind of captures the deceptiveness without shouting "lie lie lie", so his "technically true" cheerleading crowd can't just shrug it off. What Bush does isn't so much outright lying as misleading and deceiving people. This is something Christian mythology has a character associated with, and since Bush loves to wrap himself in his religion nearly as much as the flag, it might be nice to remind christian conservatives what deception and misleading means in terms of their worldview.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at September 19, 2003 02:00 PM | PERMALINK

"Deceively?
Misleader?
Decepture?
I'll bet the French have a word for it."

Don't know about the French, but the SEC has a word for it: felony.

"It shall be unlawful . . . To make any untrue statement of a material fact or to omit to state a material fact necessary in order to make the statements made, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made, not misleading. . . "

Should a president selling a war be held to as high a standard as a broker selling stock.

Posted by: denise at September 19, 2003 02:03 PM | PERMALINK

'Misleader' captures the idea beautifully, with the bonus of 'Fearless Misleader' references for us geezer Rocky & Bullwinkle fans. And of course y'all know where to get your daily dose ...

Posted by: Nell Lancaster at September 19, 2003 02:10 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, found this article through The Angry Bear's blog:

We are facing death in Iraq for no reason

A serving US soldier calls for the end of an occupation based on lies

For the past six months, I have been participating in what I believe to be the great modern lie: Operation Iraqi Freedom.

After the horrific events of September 11 2001, and throughout the battle in Afghanistan, the groundwork was being laid for the invasion of Iraq. "Shock and awe" were the words used to describe the display of power that the world was going to view upon the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. It was to be an up-close, dramatic display of military strength and advanced technology from within the arsenals of the American and British military.

But as a soldier preparing to take part in the invasion of Iraq, the words "shock and awe" rang deep within my psyche. Even as we prepared to depart, it seemed that these two great superpowers were about to break the very rules that they demanded others obey. Without the consent of the United Nations, and ignoring the pleas of their own citizens, the US and Britain invaded Iraq. "Shock and awe"? Yes, the words correctly described the emotional impact I felt as we embarked on an act not of justice, but of hypocrisy. ...

I once believed that I was serving for a cause - "to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States". Now I no longer believe that; I have lost my conviction, as well as my determination. I can no longer justify my service on the basis of what I believe to be half-truths and bold lies.

Posted by: David W. at September 19, 2003 02:11 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, and as far as Clinton, he was no paragon of Presidential honesty, but he was absolutely correct on the "what is 'is'?" point. The other side was arguing that "is" includes "was." (So if someone asks "Is Dan Quayle the vice president?" it would be a lie to answer "no" in 2003.) Clinton argued "is" is a present tense verb.

Posted by: denise at September 19, 2003 02:15 PM | PERMALINK

Clinton is very bright.

No such luck on this shrub.

Clinton was forced to discuss a private sexual matter way out in public. How many among us could find ourselves eloquent at moments like that?

Bush distorts the truth. And, he did so from the very beginning. Otherwise, he'd have come into office HUMBLE.

He thought we were pelting him with roses!

Man's not just a liar, a dissembler of truth, but rather of a low wattage variety.

Once screwed in to the socket he doesn't shine much. WHICH IS THE REAL BENEFIT!

Will the dim bulb be removed? Or will we continue running this country with such low light output? Isn't it all about changing our expectations?

Clinton raised our expectations when it came to what we heard.

Bush is just a repeat of his father's Read My Lips. Well, if they're moving you know he's lying.

Now you tell me if you want to sell republican products in the future; just what benefits is this current pitchman having on the customer base at large?

No one dares raise these questions around Bush. But, what gets interesting is that the cabinet table has Ginsu knives ... so that while no one admits to anything, the furor over warfare shouldn't stop at Iraq. You should notice the blows the Army delivers to the CIA! (For instance.)

And, Condi Rice and Colin Powell may not be on the same page, either. Ya know.

Posted by: Carol in California at September 19, 2003 02:29 PM | PERMALINK

2 : something that misleads or deceives

Wow! By that definition, Bush is, himself, a lie and so is his administration...

Many have believed this for quite some time.

Posted by: exgop at September 19, 2003 02:43 PM | PERMALINK

Talk about a flip-flop. For the first year of Bush's term the left derided him as an idiot. Now I'm supposed to believe that he's so clever that he's crafting statements that are lies, yet technically correct and dis-provable (is that a word?).

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From the American Heritage Dictionary usage notes under "dishonest":

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So, if we don't want to use "lying", it appears that "dishonest", "deceitful" and "tricky" are available.

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David W, i actually don't accept the plausible deniability point re: Iraqi WMDs.

When you look at the NIE material that was released, as well as past assessments, and when you in particular look at Rumsfeld's congressional testimony this summer in which he said that we didn't learn anything new after '98, we just looked at things differently, through the prism of 9/11, it's clear that no one could possibly have "known" anything.

That's why a legitimate line would have been "the preponderance of the evidence suggests," or "we know he used to have weapons and he refuses to prove that he's destroyed them," or "it's reasonable to assume that he still has those weapons," or "it's a fair extrapolation that he has weapons," or all kinds of things, but to say that we "know" (without getting all metaphysical here) means something that could not have been true (sheesh, even "defectors who were in a position to know" would have been honest).

This all said, i agree with those who say that simply calling the backbone administration a "bunch of liars" is red meat for the committed but not real way to win an election. I personally agree with the poster who wants to revive the old favorite "credibility gap," and i also have no problem with a formulation that says "you can't trust a thing these guys (and gal) say."

Posted by: howard at September 19, 2003 02:59 PM | PERMALINK

sd writes: "For example, liberals often use the argument that 95% of the Bush tax cut goes to the richest 1% (I'm making up the numbers because I can't remember them, but we've all heard the argument). This is technically true, but the statement is designed to leave the impression that most people will see no immediate dollar benefit from the tax cut. Which is of course is false."

I disagree, sd. This assertion must be judged in the context that the administration was saying that the tax cut(s) were going to be across the board, benefitting everyone. This response was not made to refute that everyone would receive a cut, just that the primary beneficiaries are in fact the richest Americans...which is of course not false at all. While I (and almost everyone) would agree that statistics are notoriously amenable to distortion, the use of the 95%/1% ratio (I'm too lazy to google the exact ratio myself) is nowhere near the deception quotient of saying that the tax breaks, first, are across the board, and second, result in an average break to citizens of more than a thousand dollars.

Of course, neither of these is in the same league as Rumsfeld's obvious-even-at-the-time "we know where the WMDs are; they're in the area around Baghdad, to the north, and, um, south, and, er, east and, yes, that's the ticket, west." (Again, too lazy to google the exact quote.)

Posted by: Bloggerhead at September 19, 2003 03:12 PM | PERMALINK

Bret - no one thinks Bush is crafting these. We all know he only reads the script or telepromter, or recites what's coming in on the earpiece. He's got plenty of people crafting these for him.

Posted by: halle at September 19, 2003 03:16 PM | PERMALINK

I have yet to discard the Bush earpiece hypothesis.
I think these are ideal for the campaign trail: "Fuzzy truth", and "The Trust Gap." I also like this: "A Lie", but I think the others alienate fewer swing voters.
There's a new website, misleader.com, chronicling GWB lies. It's linked to MoveOn, evidently. They'll email a daily lie to you.

Posted by: John Isbell at September 19, 2003 03:31 PM | PERMALINK

I think one can do slightly better for the last of the three Class-3 lies (the technical truths). At one point, Bush said, "Seniors receiving dividends will get an average tax cut of $X." First, Bush has a bad habit of using the mean as average when helpful (elementary textbooks say in cases like this use the median). But more deceptive is that over half of seniors don't receive any dividend income at all, and if you look carefully the sentence is structured to exclude all those zeroes from the computation. The guy should have been a used car salesman.

Posted by: Andrew Lazarus at September 19, 2003 04:17 PM | PERMALINK

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Strategeric lies.

Works for me...

Posted by: Clay Perkins at September 19, 2003 04:48 PM | PERMALINK

David W,

It's incorrect to say you "knew" something that turned out to be false. You only know something if:

a. You have reason to believe it's true

and

b. It is true.

No one knows the earth is flat, regardless of why they believe it.

Posted by: Bernard Yomtov at September 19, 2003 05:21 PM | PERMALINK

I wrote this before I read all the other comments and realized someone else wrote something very similar. Let it stand as is anyway:

"The dividend tax cut. Hawking Bush's dividend tax cut earlier this year, the White House said "More than 40 percent of people who receive dividends make under $50,000 per year...."
Again, this is technically true: 40% of people who receive dividends make under $50,000 a year. However, this is clearly designed to make it sound like 40% of dividend income goes to these people, which is not true."

Question: How does one say it so that it doesn't sound like 40% of the dividend income goes to these people? How about if he says,"More than 40% of the people who receive dividends make under $50,000 a year?" Oops. That's exactly what he said the first time.
So how does saying exactly and precisely what you mean somehow result in meaning something other than exactly and precisely what you said?

I'm sorry, but this doesn't cut it. One might as well ask, "How does one say something clearly designed to make it sound like Bush lied, when it's not true?" Answer: write an article like the one from which the above quote is excerpted.

Besides which, what Bush said is the sort of game liberals play all the time on the issue of taxes, with statements like "80% of the tax cut goes to 20% of the taxpayers." (The figures are made up, but you know the argument.) While this is, to borrow a phrase, "technically true," it neglects to say that roughly 80% of the tax cut goes to the people who pay roughly 80% the taxes, which meets some people's definition (mine, for instance) of a completely fair and even-handed tax cut.

So which statements are distortions, even though "technically true," depends on which side of the fence one is viewing them from.

I mght add that people who support Bush are not going to take very seriously claims about "lies" or "distortions" by Bush, when those claims are made by people who supported Bill Clinton. We tend to think those making the claims have very, shall we say, "flexible" criteria of what amounts to distortion?

Posted by: Tom O'Bedlam at September 19, 2003 05:39 PM | PERMALINK

Remember the Bill Bennett piece in the WSJ where he labelled Gore a "pathological liar"?

Who's pathological now, Bill?

Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2003 06:17 PM | PERMALINK

Um, the scientific method?

Posted by: Mary Rosh at September 19, 2003 07:58 PM | PERMALINK

I like the term coined by Sir Robert Armstrong in the Spycatcher trial, which he actually used to try to claim that a lie wasn't a lie. That is:

"Economical with the truth."

Because it reminds you what Bush is doing with the truth is the same as what he's doing to the economy.

Posted by: nick sweeney at September 19, 2003 08:01 PM | PERMALINK

How's about-

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Posted by: trout at September 19, 2003 08:11 PM | PERMALINK

If one feels that calling Bush a liar is too direct because the word "lie" makes most Americans tune you out, perhaps the more oblique, and more effective method is to instead discursively discuss theories of why and how Bush has this apparent instinct for stretching the truth. The approach is to subtly make the fact that Bush lies all the time the premise of what you say, but not the main subject of your argument.

In addition, Gore's unearned reputation as a liar took flight because the supposed lies were about unimportant things, were silly, and therefore made good grist for jokes on late night TV and could get stuck in the public mind. Lies about important subjects often don't seem to have the same life span. However, with discussions like this one, in which we aren't simply recounting his lies, but are classifying the flavors they come in, Bush's lies may end up having a longer lifespan than they would have otherwise.

Posted by: John McCrory at September 19, 2003 09:46 PM | PERMALINK

I find myself frequently trying to explain what is false, untrue or inaccurate about statements that come out of this administration. Kevin's post struck me as a way to simplify analysis of the statements they make.

I would like to suggest a set of categories to apply to every statement they make, instead of trying to explain in detail. Here is my suggestion. Just read the statement, and apply the appropriate roman numeral.

I don't have time, but applying this to the State of the Union speech or to the speeches exhorting the Congress to authorise War on Iraq would be illuminating, and the speeches could be compared for percentages of statements in each category.

I included category IV merely in the interest of completeness. I wouldn't expect to see it used.

****

Types of Bush Statements Intended to Manipulate the Public

I. Brazen lie - completely outrageous, but if you say it loudly enough and with enough confidence, people believe it. After all, no one would make up something that crazy unless it were actually true, right? [Paul Krugman]

II. Undisprovable Assertion - A statement, confidently expressed that cannot at this time be disproven. [Josh Marshall]

III. Technical lie - a statement that's very carefully constructed to leave an incorrect impression — but that turns out to be technically true if you parse it closely enough. [Kevin Drum]

IV. Honest, meaningful statement – Useful and valid information provided to the public and actually usable in some manner.

Categories of statements presented by Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, or Powell.
Instead of attempting to explain how the statement is misleading, just apply the appropriate category. In case of a tie, use the lower numbered one. Use of category IV is considered extremely unlikely.

Posted by: Rick B at September 19, 2003 10:43 PM | PERMALINK

The more I think about it, the more it looks like it would be possible to develop a prevaracation index to apply to speeches and statements to Congress by these politicians.

The problem would be finding open-minded members of the panel to evaluate the various speeches, and listen to expert evaluations of the various statements on which there was the most disagreement. Perhaps different panels staffed with open-minded people versus ideologues? Or journalists.

Posted by: Rick B at September 19, 2003 11:11 PM | PERMALINK

We really need something that will stick, a rhyme like "tricky Dick", an alliteration or an assonance. Unfortunately, "George" and "bush" are hard to rhyme. We could work on "George Whopper Bush", perhaps.

Posted by: bad Jim at September 20, 2003 12:01 AM | PERMALINK

We really need something that will stick.

George "W" (Whistle-Ass) Bush.

Bless that dear old lady, Sally Baron.

Posted by: Troy at September 20, 2003 12:31 AM | PERMALINK

When I saw misleading.org, I knew that was brilliant play on words.

Misleading statements indeed.

Posted by: Troy at September 20, 2003 12:32 AM | PERMALINK

I can agree with you on the first two, but the third one seems to me to sound exactly like it parses: when I read it the first time, it "sounded" exactly like you claim only a close parsing indicates.

Posted by: Chris Burgwald at September 20, 2003 03:45 PM | PERMALINK

I haven't seen this many sycophants fawning over someone in a long time. I suggest that Mr. Cal Pundit shoplift a dictionary and look up the word taxonomy. I find it hilarious that the same people who consider President Bush to be a world class moron also contribute to him a brilliant guile. Change the name of this site to Echo World, it is more apt.

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So, just out of curiosity:

-- When Teddy Kennedy gave cost estimates back in the 60's, while arguing in favor of Medicare, that were off by several orders of magnitude, and hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars, was that a brazen lie; a confidently expressed, but unprovable assertion; or a technical lie?

When Teddy Kennedy said that Robert Bork wanted an America in which back alley abortions were common, was that a brazen lie; a confidently expressed, but unprovable assertion; or a technical lie? (Unless of course you believe that people who sincerely maintain that a right to abortion is not contained in penumbras of the Constitution espouse that belief solely because they devoutly hope that people will die in unsanitary and unsavory conditions, and for no other reason.)

When Bill Clinton said "The factory was involved in the production of materials for chemical weapons," about a lipstick factory in the Sudan, was that a brazen lie; a confidently expressed, but unprovable assertion; or a technical lie?

When Teddy Kennedy gave his story about what happened after his car went off the bridge, was that a brazen lie; a confidently expressed, but unprovable assertion; or a technical lie?

When Robert Byrd said that lying under oath about sex was a high crime or misdemeanor, was that a brazen lie; a confidently expressed, but unprovable assertion; or a technical lie? Or was it his subsequent statement, that one who committed a high crime or misdemeanor should not be impeached, that was a brazen lie; a confidently expressed, but unprovable assertion; or a technical lie?

When the Congressional budget office predicted surpluses for the foreseeable future back in the late 1990s, was that a brazen lie; a confidently expressed, but unprovable assertion; or a technical lie? Or was it their prediction in the mid 1990s of deficits as far as the eye could reach that was the brazen lie; or a confidently expressed, but unprovable assertion; or a technical lie?

P.S. Incidentally, the one about Teddy Kennedy and what he remembered after he went off the bridge was out of place among the other examples. That one really WAS a lie, even outside the standards of Planet Liberal fantasy-speak. Poor choice of examples. But with Teddy one has such a wealth of material.

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Heyya Tom. Good job digging up Lefty prevarication. If digging back forty years gets you caught up numerically with Bush's Mendacious 2000 campaign, imagine what you could do if you dug up the Democratic Dirt all the way to Jackson! You might catch up, numerically, to GW's first year in office, lie-wise!

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