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September 13, 2003

VOODOO....NO, SOMETHING MUCH, MUCH WORSE THAN VOODOO ECONOMICS....David Firestone writes in the New York Times today about the collision of George Bush's manic spending desires with his manic tax cutting desires:

The Bush administration says it can do all of the above, once the tax cuts inaugurate a burst of economic growth. Democrats and virtually every mainstream economist say that something will have to give, very possibly the government's retirement promises to millions of aging baby boomers.

So if "virtually every mainstream economist" sides with the Democrats, who's siding with the Republicans? Donald Luskin?

The mind boggles.

Posted by Kevin Drum at September 13, 2003 01:30 PM | TrackBack


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How about Satanic economics?

Posted by: The Mighty Reason Man at September 13, 2003 04:27 PM | PERMALINK

My response has been to buy a treadmill to stay in shape and start going on a diet to keep degenerative diseases at bay (reduce the need for Medicare), and to start working on a career change that will allow me to stay employed into my 70s (reduce the need for Social Security).

Posted by: JLowe at September 13, 2003 05:06 PM | PERMALINK

I used to like mainstream economists, before they became all shrill.

I'm sincerely surprised that no Republican has suggested the Soylent Green solution to our ever-encroaching crisis.

Posted by: Downunder at September 13, 2003 05:07 PM | PERMALINK

As Mark Shields said on Lehrer Newshour, with Bush its not guns and butter but guns and caviar.

Posted by: Mimikatz at September 13, 2003 05:14 PM | PERMALINK

We can call it Lottonomics. They're liars, have no credibility, but they cannot be shamed into admitting the fraud. (Roshonomics might work, too. It is the sycophantic branch of Lottonomics.)

Posted by: MacMan at September 13, 2003 05:17 PM | PERMALINK

Soylent Green? A new government program? No way! These are libertarian conservatives, the future is 'Mad Max' or 'A Boy and His Dog'--Americans free from government solving their problems themselves.

Posted by: Jim Lund at September 13, 2003 05:39 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, your question concerns the matter of which economists (if any) think GwB's tax cuts are a good thing and are working out.

Well, economists who are dogmatic Libertarians, I imagine. And even then, only the ones who pay little heed to published economic data.

Pushing slightly off the topic, George Soros was featured on NOW with Bill Moyers last night (9/12/03). Invariably genteel and courteous, he simply could not bring himself to say what -- I suspect -- he really thinks: that GwB is an extremist dogmatist. He DID say that he thought that, at least since 9/11, Bush has been captured by such extremists. For a man who studied at the foot of Karl Popper and has fashioned most of his personal philosophy from Popper's ideas, that's damning criticism indeed.

(And it is why Soros has dropped $10 million into defeating GwB.)

Well, what about it? Is Soros right, or even perhaps understating Bush's personal contribution to the brain-dead extremism of his regime?

The ultimate test for dogmatism is a resolute unwillingness to shift position or re-evaluate worldview even in the face of overwhelming on-the-ground evidence that the dogma's prescriptions are failing. In far less extreme cases with vastly less compelling evidence, a majority of Democrats have been willing (I'd say, actually, TOO willing) to shift their positions. So, too, moderate Republicans like Eisenhower and Ford ... and even (gasp!) the not-so-moderate Reagan when it became evident his tax cuts weren't performing as promised.

But GwB won't shift his views an inch. He sees dogmatic pigheadedness as a virtue. It isn't: it's evidence of, among other things, pathetic intellectual insecurity and dishonesty. (That, I think, is nearly ALWAYS a characteristic of dogmatists, be they Fascist, Communist, Libertarian or fundamentalist religious).

Make no mistake: what is happening now is what is going to continue happening so long as GwB and his minions retain power. He is NOT going to relent on his "principles," unless as part of some "tactical" maneuver aimed at -- ultimately -- looking like more than it really is. I am convined that he will never admit that tax cuts aren't the cure-all, be-all, end-all of policies. He'll never admit that his tax cuts have been ruinous in any respect.

And that doesn't bode well for our nation, or the world.

Posted by: Marsman at September 13, 2003 06:00 PM | PERMALINK

Luskin's column has devolved into to something I call All Anti-Krugman All the Time. Goodness gracious, with his one note one message viewpoint, he's the Clear Channel of the blogosphere.

Posted by: GP at September 13, 2003 06:42 PM | PERMALINK

Mighty Reason Man writes:
How about Satanic economics?

I take exception to that! How about MORONIC economics? (Whoops, offended
the morons. Sorry!)

And now it's time for NEW "Doublethink" Economics! Bush good! 2+2=5! Dems bad! Intellegence doubleplusungood! War=Peace! Ignorance=Strength! TRUST Big Bubba! And today's two-minute hate is directed at: IRAN!
We're at war with IRAN, we've ALWAYS been at war with IRAN!

Posted by: SatanLuvvsRepugs at September 13, 2003 07:28 PM | PERMALINK

"the collision of George Bush's manic spending desires with his manic tax cutting desires"

I misread that as "the collusion of...". What does that say about me?

Posted by: David Thompson at September 13, 2003 08:15 PM | PERMALINK

'Soylent Green'

Now, now don't get ahead of yourself. All in the fulness of time.

BTW: Isn't all the anti-Bush mania simply another example of anthropomorphism. We need to personalise somethings which aren't necessarily personal. Personally I can't stand the guy. Nor can I stand Jose Maria Aznar, nor could I stand Margaret Thatcher. So there's a simple remedy available. Press a little button, and switch off the box.

Don't get so steamed up about a guy who's not responsible for half the things he thinks he is. If he was we wouldn't need sociologists, anthropologists or economists. Don't believe everything in the promo brochure, or as someone once said: switch-off, and turn-on.

Posted by: Edward Hugh at September 14, 2003 04:15 AM | PERMALINK

(another:)
"the collision of George Bush's manic spending desires with his manic tax cutting desires"

"I misread that as "the collusion of...". What does that say about me?"

Posted by: David Thompson at September 13, 2003 08:15 PM

That's the conspiracy theory of GOP economic plans - that they know what they're doing, and want to trash things.

Posted by: Barry at September 14, 2003 05:53 AM | PERMALINK

No, no,Bush doesn't think 2+2=5. He thinks that 2+2=3, and that 5 *minus* 2 equals 7. You obviously haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: Barbara at September 14, 2003 07:45 AM | PERMALINK

Mainstream economists? Give me names. This sounds too much like "Mainstream Media," of which I also suspect more agenda and less objectivity. I will believe this if Milton Friedman is on your list.

Posted by: Dave at September 14, 2003 08:01 AM | PERMALINK

Any senior citizen, or soon-to-be senior citizen, who votes for Bush has an early death wish.

Charles

Posted by: charles at September 15, 2003 06:22 AM | PERMALINK

Well, if anyone cared to look at the statistics, not that many people lived past 65 years of age, when this became the age to call people 'old.'

My guess is you're going to see a rise.

you won't be old until you're 75, at least.

That's one way of fixing the problem.

Posted by: Carol in California at September 15, 2003 06:00 PM | PERMALINK

The same George Soros, who's currency speculation
shattered the Asian economies in '97-98; creating
a political vaccuum that has been filled by Jemaa
Islamiya in Indonesia, Abu Sayyaf in the Phillipines, that George Soros

Posted by: narciso at September 15, 2003 06:14 PM | PERMALINK

"something will have to give, very possibly the government's retirement promises to millions of aging baby boomers."

Duh. Which is why we shouldn't have set up a system where we pretend that current wealth transfer is the same as a fricking pension plan now should we?

Posted by: Sebastian Holsclaw at September 15, 2003 09:24 PM | PERMALINK

BTW, now that Bush isn't trying to reform the Social Security system, did it suddenly become OK again for Democrats to realize that the system is ridiculously unsustainable? The tax cuts were NOTHING compared to the magnitude of the problem which Kevin was saying probably didn't exist only 2 months ago.

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