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August 11, 2003

RECALL POWERBALL!....It's time for the lottery! That is, the recall lottery, where we pull letters out of a basket to find out the order of the candidates on the recall ballot. Since being 100th out of 195 could be a serious problem, this is no small thing.

And here we go: R....W....

Complete results later!

UPDATE: H, B, and S are all grouped together in the middle of the ballot, so that takes care of Huffington, Bustamante, Schwarzenegger, and Simon. They'll all appear in roughly the same spot on page 7....

Posted by Kevin Drum at August 11, 2003 11:48 AM | TrackBack


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I thought the lottery wasnt terribly important because the starting point will be rotated from county to county.

Posted by: Lavoisier1794 at August 11, 2003 12:06 PM | PERMALINK

7-page ballot? Well, at least we're used to that, especially here in San Francisco. But we can all look forward to the phonebook-sized voters' guide that will doubtless be coming out in a few weeks. I'm sure no one will give up when they see the size of that thing.

I think I'll move to Australia.

(I'm not serious--the above is a quote from the famed kids-book philospher Alexander.)

Posted by: Charisse at August 11, 2003 12:10 PM | PERMALINK

Excellent. So, who wins your recent contest to guess the correct number of candidates on the ballot?

Posted by: James Joyner at August 11, 2003 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Note that while the order is the same everywhere, which letter goes *first* is rotated by assembly district. The drawing sets the order for everyone and the first-letter for assembly district 1; assembly district 2 takes the same order but starts with the letter that was second in the drawing (the previous first letter becomes the last letter), and so on.

Posted by: aphrael at August 11, 2003 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

Also, this is standard operating procedure for all statewide elections. It just might matter more in this one than it usually does.

Posted by: aphrael at August 11, 2003 12:27 PM | PERMALINK

James: gotta wait for the final official results. We still don't have them.

Aphrael: is that right? I heard a different story about how things are randomized today. CNN (or Fox, I forget) said that the basic order would be the same everywhere, but that the order within each letter might be different.

So, it might Adams and then Atkins in LA, but Atkins and then Adams in San Francisco.

Clear as mud, no? I guess we'll get the straight story eventually.

In the meantime, it's off to lunch for me.

Posted by: Kevin Drum at August 11, 2003 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

Noticed in the Secretary of State's listing that Arianna Huffington seems to be missing:

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/candidate_status_report_detail.pdf

Posted by: cmdicely at August 11, 2003 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

the rotation is based on Assembly districts, click my name for the link

Posted by: OR2nd Dem at August 11, 2003 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

"And here we go: R....W...."

For a minute, there, I thought this was Ricky West annoncing his candidacy . . .

Posted by: rea at August 11, 2003 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

Aah, but don't forget - the order rotates from district-to-district, so that somewhere in California every letter gets to be first.

Posted by: Hoodie Craw at August 11, 2003 01:13 PM | PERMALINK

RE: San Franciscans being used to "long" ballots:

The optical machines are going to hate you for inserting all those unmarked pages. Or should you only insert ballot pages that have marks?

Posted by: squiddy at August 11, 2003 01:19 PM | PERMALINK

I hate to get ahead of things, but just to anticipate the next step in the electoral circus CA has become, what are the machinations for a recount if two, or more, candidates end up very close?

Posted by: spc67 at August 11, 2003 01:29 PM | PERMALINK

Squiddy:

The optical machines are going to hate you for inserting all those unmarked pages. Or should you only insert ballot pages that have marks?

I seem to remember you had to insert them all for the last general election (there were a lot of initiative pages). The machines coughed only every 4th page or so, which was a marked improvement over the initial use of opticals. This ought to be hilarious...

Posted by: Charisse at August 11, 2003 01:39 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin - Elections Code Division 8 Section 8122 specifies:


The Secretary of State shall certify and transmit the list of candidates for nomination to each office according to Assembly districts, in the order of arrangement prescribed in Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 13100) of Division 13. In the case of each county containing more than one Assembly district, the Secretary of State shall transmit separate lists for each Assembly district.

Elections Code Division 13 Section 13113 specifies:

In the case of all other offices*, the candidates for which are to be voted on throughout the state, the Secretary of State shall arrange the names of the candidates for the office in accordance with the randomized alphabet as provided for in Section 13112 for the First Assembly District. Thereafter, for each succeeding Assembly district, the name appearing first in the last preceding Assembly district shall be placed last, the order of the other names remaining unchanged.

So i'm wrong; the rotation is based on the *candidate* not the *letter*. Which means some candidates will never get to the top.


*besides President and Vice-President, handled in the preceding paragraph.


Why isn't sup supported by MT's comment code?

Posted by: aphrael at August 11, 2003 01:45 PM | PERMALINK

W means Nathaniel Walton, Bill Walton's son.

Cool.

Posted by: tbogg at August 11, 2003 03:01 PM | PERMALINK

"Names of candidates for offices voted on statewide rotate by Assembly district, starting with Assembly District 1 where the names appear as first determined by the random alphabet. In Assembly District 2, the candidate who appeared first in Assembly District 1 drops to the bottom and the other candidates move up one position and so on throughout the 80 districts."

- http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/statewide_special_random_alpha.htm

Posted by: Simon at August 11, 2003 04:15 PM | PERMALINK

Does anyone know if any worse method of choosing a leader has ever been used anywhere, any time? I'm serious.

I remember that in Ethiopia under the Derge the major figures all took their pistols to the meeting where the leader was to be chosen, and the last man standing became president. But to me that seems like a better method.

Posted by: zizka at August 11, 2003 04:31 PM | PERMALINK

"Does anyone know if any worse method of choosing a leader has ever been used anywhere, any time? I'm serious"

Well, we could sacrifice small animals to the gods, then examine their entrails . . . on second thought, however, that would make California jsut another snake cult . . . :)

Posted by: rea at August 11, 2003 06:55 PM | PERMALINK

Democracy in action.

The best part of this is that Davis really is bad news. And, the guy who thought he'd benefit, by spending millions of his own money, got a car alarm to go off in his head. And, he walked out of the casino, Assa, did.

It can only get better!

LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE WILL GO OUT AND VOTE. What may also happen is that the polls get FLOODED with people. Who demand ballots. And, since this is anticipated to be a 'small turnout election' we may make Florida look like a day in the park.

I'm ready.

Posted by: Carol Herman at August 11, 2003 07:36 PM | PERMALINK

So let me see if I've got this right. We're going to have a ballot with somewhere around 200 candidates -- and they're not going to be listed in alphabetical order. So every single voter is going to have to stand there and scan through the entire multi-page monstrosity to find the name of the candidate he or she wants to vote for. Unless there's an alphabetized index provided with the ballot -- but that's probably illegal for the same reason the names are randomized in the first place.

Uffda gevalt!

Posted by: Keith Thompson at August 11, 2003 09:05 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if it's going to take as long to count the votes as it's taking to count the candidates.

Posted by: Keith Thompson at August 11, 2003 09:06 PM | PERMALINK

Keith, possibly. The LA Times had an article on this yesterday; I blogged about it here.

Posted by: aphrael at August 11, 2003 09:58 PM | PERMALINK

>So every single voter is going to have to stand
>there and scan through the entire multi-page
>monstrosity to find the name of the candidate he
>or she wants to vote for.

Good. Maybe it means that only people who are motivated by one or another candidate will vote, and the "party liners" on both sides will be discouraged. Now if we can just get rid of the one-stop "party line" voting option in regular elections, people might actually do some research on the morons they are voting for.

(Start self-mocking)
Better yet, use only write-in (or type-in) votes. People who walk into the booth not knowing who the candidates are shouldn't vote.

And yes, "Arnold Shwartzinager" and "Cruise Bustymonty" are hanging chads - throw 'em out. Airy Anna Huffington? Toss it. Arnold Drummond? Not a candidate. Dang it, this may be the only way Bill Simon has a chance of winning!
(end self mocking)

Posted by: rvman at August 12, 2003 09:06 AM | PERMALINK

Keith Thompson:
"So every single voter is going to have to stand there and scan through the entire multi-page monstrosity to find the name of the candidate he or she wants to vote for."

Presumably the major candidates, newspapers, and of course the Secretary of State's website will have cheatsheets telling you that in your Assembly district Arnold is #145 or whatever. When you get your ballot just flip to that, check, and punch.

Posted by: Bill Woods at August 12, 2003 10:01 AM | PERMALINK

Presumably the major candidates, newspapers, and of course the Secretary of State's website will have cheatsheets telling you that in your Assembly district Arnold is #145 or whatever. When you get your ballot just flip to that, check, and punch.

Sure, or just check the sample ballot before you go to the polling place; that's what I intend to do.

But I'll have to wait in line behind all the people who didn't bother.

Posted by: Keith Thompson at August 12, 2003 01:20 PM | PERMALINK

Good. Maybe it means that only people who are motivated by one or another candidate will vote, and the "party liners" on both sides will be discouraged. Now if we can just get rid of the one- stop "party line" voting option in regular elections, people might actually do some research on the morons they are voting for.

I've never seen a one-stop party line option on any ballot I've ever used; if I blindly vote the party line, I have to do it one candidate at a time. Do any California jurisdictions have such an option? My vague impression is that that kind of option is provided on old-style voting machines; I don't think California even uses them.

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