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June 24, 2003

MOVEON PRIMARY....I just tried to go to the MoveOn.org web site and couldn't get through. But today and tomorrow are the days for the MoveOn primary, so if you have a candidate you want to vote for, keep trying until you get through and then cast your vote.

UPDATE: Try this link instead: http://www.moveonpac.org/moveonpac/index.phtml It seems to work better.

Posted by Kevin Drum at June 24, 2003 08:52 AM | TrackBack


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Kevin, do tell us who you voted for.

Ashcroft already knows, so it's no big secret.

I voted for Wes Clark.

Posted by: SamAm at June 24, 2003 09:06 AM | PERMALINK

Too may people are trying to get in this morning.

The Dean blog is full of upset and frustrated voters.

Patience. It's highly possible this will not work well at all. This is their first try--they may have to do it all again when they review the results and the subsequent problems they identify.

They already know the freepers are causing trouble. I voted successfully and found out they're conducting a survey to verify the results. We'll see.

Posted by: paradox at June 24, 2003 09:07 AM | PERMALINK

I got through just fine, using the personal link I received by e-mail when I registered several days ago. Everything went very smoothly.

BTW: I received a call last night with a recorded message from Howard Dean, reminding supporters to vote in the MoveOn primary. Also received an e-mail reminder from same. Don't know if the other Dem candidates have done similar outreach, but the Dean campaign appears to have its act together!

Posted by: Elissa Lowe at June 24, 2003 09:51 AM | PERMALINK

New voter registration is closed. Lots of us can't vote. Not good.

Posted by: yazzie at June 24, 2003 09:52 AM | PERMALINK

As MoveOn analyzes this experiment, I hope they look separately at the results for members who had been signed up and active for some time and those who signed up after word of straw polls/primary etc. If I were in their position, I'd consider weighting pre-existing, active members' votes more heavily. Those the people who can be counted on to provide the money and volunteer time that makes a MoveOnPAC potentially powerful.

Already, though, the MoveOn primary is connecting the campaigns with those precious commodities. After voting, you can choose to send your email addr to your candidate's campaign and/or follow a link to contribute.

So latecomers can 'weight' themselves right back in by showing a little concrete support, which will also reflect warmly on MoveOn. Early money is powerful money.

Sorts the freepers out, nicely, too (I'm assuming they won't be going so far as to send Rev. Sharpton their dollars...)

Posted by: Nell Lancaster at June 24, 2003 09:57 AM | PERMALINK

The problem is that I believe voting is only by the unique ballot that they were supposed to have e-mail last night or this morning, and I have not received my ballot -- and when I tried the "resend" link on the website, it brought up an error message.

Posted by: Ed Fitzgerald at June 24, 2003 09:58 AM | PERMALINK

For my part, I had my notification e-mail with the link for voting in my mailbox this morning, and the page responded instantly. But if you don't have yours out, don't sweat it; it does take a few hours to send thousands of e-mails, and the 'polls' are open until tomorrow night.

They did say well in advance that registration for the primary closed at midnight on Monday, by the way.

Posted by: neil at June 24, 2003 10:05 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, I had tons of trouble. But they said it'd take until 10am EST. Give it a chance; re-request the ballot; it'll work sooner or later.

Posted by: GK at June 24, 2003 10:19 AM | PERMALINK

I finally got mine to work. In fact, it's sitting in front of me right now. It's more vexing than I thought it would be!

I really, really hope MoveOn doesn't come out behind Kucinich, which I suspect may happen. He's just too left to win, and it will in effect marginalize MoveOn.

I have a feeling Dean's going to win, and I'm not sure that's a great thing either. But as they say, I don't want to "waste my vote."

It's like Barbie said: "Democracy is hard!"

Posted by: Realish at June 24, 2003 10:34 AM | PERMALINK

Mine just came in... Worked fine.

Howard Dean!!!!

Posted by: Skeejin at June 24, 2003 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

Mine just came in and it worked fine. I'll announce who I voted for on my blog later, but I will say this: In question 2, I picked "any candidate".

Posted by: Charles Kuffner at June 24, 2003 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

Ooo, an imaginary primary. Let me finish up my fantasy baseball and my stockpicking contest and I'll be right there!!!

/"whatEVAR."

Posted by: squiddy at June 24, 2003 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

I had no problem voting. They mailed me a "ballot."

That said, I think they need to reconsider the way people sign up for primaries in the future. Read this.

Posted by: tristero at June 24, 2003 02:02 PM | PERMALINK

I asked Kevin what he thought about the second ballot. Do they really think that democrats would vote for Bush if their candidate didn't win, or was it a forumn for us to nudge a couple of the candidates out? I'm curious how many people clicked all and how many people used it to voice their opinions about other candidates?

Posted by: Kombiz at June 24, 2003 02:07 PM | PERMALINK

Re: following Tristero's "Read This" to it's source on Freeperdom...

"DO YOU REALLY WANT YOUR NAME ON A LIST ASSOCIATED WITH A COMMUNIST ORGANIZATION ...?? [meaning, MoveOn.org]

HOW WILL YOU EXPLAIN THIS WHEN THE DOJ OR THE FBI COME CALLING AND ASKING YOU QUESTIONS AND POKING INTO YOUR PRIVATE AFFAIRS ...??"

'nuf said.

Posted by: squiddy at June 24, 2003 02:15 PM | PERMALINK

P.S. All I need to know of Freeperville is what I'v already learned from our very own Sebastian Holsclaw, and that's:

Anyone to the left of Lucianne Goldberg or Ann Coulter is an *inhale deeply, set caps lock* GODLESS COMMUNIST EXTREME-LEFTIST ANTI-AMERICAN LIBRUL WHACKO TRAITOR!!!!! !!!! !!!!!

Posted by: squiddy at June 24, 2003 02:21 PM | PERMALINK

'Ooo, an imaginary primary. Let me finish up my fantasy baseball and my stockpicking contest and I'll be right there!!!

/"whatEVAR."'

If a candidate gets the endorseent, he'll get lots of cash, so it's hardly imaginary.

Posted by: David Weman (Europundit) at June 24, 2003 02:52 PM | PERMALINK

For what it is worth, I voted through the email linke after signing up sometime in the past week. I had 2 small problems

1) I put a 1 in front of my phone number, which the computer read as an error (because it is, I guess, but that might frustrate some people)

2) It took a while for the ballot to be submitted. I had to wait about 3 minutes and avoid the temptation to click twice.

I really hope this works out for them (no technical problems or pissed off activists).

And I really, really hope Kucinich doesn't win. If he does and gets the money, well, everyone knows that's not a very good outcome.

And I think Clark will outpoll between 1-3 of the major candidates (probably Graham, Lieberman and Gephardt).

Posted by: SamAm at June 24, 2003 03:03 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I voted last night after reading the candidates' responses to the seven questions posed by MoveOn members (I've been on their list for three years, seems like); I thought it was interesting that Lieberman declined to participate in that little exercise.

I voted "undecided," because that's what I am right now. I had no difficulty at all ('course, it was about 3:00am EST when I did so).

Posted by: Linkmeister at June 24, 2003 06:44 PM | PERMALINK

Kombiz said: "I asked Kevin what he thought about the second ballot. Do they really think that democrats would vote for Bush if their candidate didn't win, or was it a forumn for us to nudge a couple of the candidates out? I'm curious how many people clicked all and how many people used it to voice their opinions about other candidates?"

I thought the second ballot was useful for registering my least favorite candidate by leaving his name unchecked while checking all others. Reality is I'll vote for Lieberman if he's nominated. Even if Bush stepped aside to let Jesus take his place on the Republican slate I can't imagine how HE'd sell me on why HIS choice to associate with the last 20 years of GOP is ok.

FWIW, my vote was for Dean. Ashcroft be damned.

Posted by: dennis at June 24, 2003 07:00 PM | PERMALINK

um.. I feel a little left out here. I voted for Kerry. Is the calpundit community pretty much straight for Dean? Maybe Kevin needs to do a little vote thing on the side of the page. Not making any suggestions but I'd like to see where people come down in the community.

Posted by: Kombiz at June 24, 2003 10:36 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think it's Calpundit per se that attracts Deanies, but blogs in general. Calpundit is linked to on the Dean blogs because he is a prominent lefty blog -- he hasn't specifically endorsed any candidate that I remember.

Ditto, Matthew Yglesias, Atrios, and others. I, on the other hand, have decided for Dean and I don't keep that a secret.

Dean supporters use the web to organize and we read blogs and send links to each other -- Calpundit is a major destination.

As for question 2 on moveon.org -- I will support the Democrat who wins the nomination. I mean anyone -- and, Lieberman is not a conservative -- it's crazy to think that -- look at his record. Dean is to the right of Lieberman on many issues.
Even the liberal Kucinich is to the right of Lieberman on choice.

Posted by: NohoMissives at June 25, 2003 12:03 PM | PERMALINK

Sometimes it's not whether so-in-so is more or less liberal but whether they do the right thing at critical moments. Lieberman has made some major misteps when confronted with important choices. Choices that were fundamentally between right and wrong, not left vs. right.

For some people I should probably elaborate, but I kind of doubt most here will miss this point. And, besides this thread is getting kind of cold. Perhaps the discussion can be taken up later in a more current thread.

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