June 24, 2003
MOVEON PRIMARY....I just tried to go to the MoveOn.org web site and
couldn't get through. But today and tomorrow are the days for the
MoveOn primary, so if you have a candidate you want to vote for, keep
trying until you get through and then cast your vote.
UPDATE: Try this link instead: http://www.moveonpac.org/moveonpac/index.phtml It seems to work better.
Posted by Kevin Drum at June 24, 2003 08:52 AM
Kevin, do tell us who you voted for.
Ashcroft already knows, so it's no big secret.
I voted for Wes Clark.
Too may people are trying to get in this morning.
The Dean blog is full of upset and frustrated voters.
Patience. It's highly possible this will not work well at all. This
is their first try--they may have to do it all again when they review
the results and the subsequent problems they identify.
They already know the freepers are causing trouble. I voted
successfully and found out they're conducting a survey to verify the
results. We'll see.
I got through just fine, using the personal link I received by e-mail
when I registered several days ago. Everything went very smoothly.
BTW: I received a call last night with a recorded message from Howard
Dean, reminding supporters to vote in the MoveOn primary. Also
received an e-mail reminder from same. Don't know if the other Dem
candidates have done similar outreach, but the Dean campaign appears to
have its act together!
New voter registration is closed. Lots of us can't vote. Not good.
As MoveOn analyzes this experiment, I hope they look separately at
the results for members who had been signed up and active for some time
and those who signed up after word of straw polls/primary etc. If I
were in their position, I'd consider weighting pre-existing, active
members' votes more heavily. Those the people who can be counted on to
provide the money and volunteer time that makes a MoveOnPAC potentially
Already, though, the MoveOn primary is connecting the campaigns with
those precious commodities. After voting, you can choose to send your
email addr to your candidate's campaign and/or follow a link to
So latecomers can 'weight' themselves right back in by showing a
little concrete support, which will also reflect warmly on MoveOn.
Early money is powerful money.
Sorts the freepers out, nicely, too (I'm assuming they won't be going so far as to send Rev. Sharpton their dollars...)
The problem is that I believe voting is only by the unique ballot
that they were supposed to have e-mail last night or this morning, and I
have not received my ballot -- and when I tried the "resend" link on
the website, it brought up an error message.
For my part, I had my notification e-mail with the link for voting in
my mailbox this morning, and the page responded instantly. But if you
don't have yours out, don't sweat it; it does take a few hours to send
thousands of e-mails, and the 'polls' are open until tomorrow night.
They did say well in advance that registration for the primary closed at midnight on Monday, by the way.
Yes, I had tons of trouble. But they said it'd take until 10am EST.
Give it a chance; re-request the ballot; it'll work sooner or later.
I finally got mine to work. In fact, it's sitting in front of me right now. It's more vexing than I thought it would be!
I really, really hope MoveOn doesn't come out behind Kucinich, which I
suspect may happen. He's just too left to win, and it will in effect
I have a feeling Dean's going to win, and I'm not sure that's a great
thing either. But as they say, I don't want to "waste my vote."
It's like Barbie said: "Democracy is hard!"
Mine just came in... Worked fine.
Mine just came in and it worked fine. I'll announce who I voted for
on my blog later, but I will say this: In question 2, I picked "any
Ooo, an imaginary primary. Let me finish up my fantasy baseball and my stockpicking contest and I'll be right there!!!
I had no problem voting. They mailed me a "ballot."
That said, I think they need to reconsider the way people sign up for primaries in the future. Read this.
I asked Kevin what he thought about the second ballot. Do they really
think that democrats would vote for Bush if their candidate didn't win,
or was it a forumn for us to nudge a couple of the candidates out? I'm
curious how many people clicked all and how many people used it to voice
their opinions about other candidates?
Re: following Tristero's "Read This" to it's source on Freeperdom...
"DO YOU REALLY WANT YOUR NAME ON A LIST ASSOCIATED WITH A COMMUNIST ORGANIZATION ...?? [meaning, MoveOn.org]
HOW WILL YOU EXPLAIN THIS WHEN THE DOJ OR THE FBI COME CALLING AND
ASKING YOU QUESTIONS AND POKING INTO YOUR PRIVATE AFFAIRS ...??"
P.S. All I need to know of Freeperville is what I'v already learned from our very own Sebastian Holsclaw, and that's:
Anyone to the left of Lucianne Goldberg or Ann Coulter is an *inhale
deeply, set caps lock* GODLESS COMMUNIST EXTREME-LEFTIST ANTI-AMERICAN
LIBRUL WHACKO TRAITOR!!!!! !!!! !!!!!
'Ooo, an imaginary primary. Let me finish up my fantasy baseball and my stockpicking contest and I'll be right there!!!
If a candidate gets the endorseent, he'll get lots of cash, so it's hardly imaginary.
For what it is worth, I voted through the email linke after signing up sometime in the past week. I had 2 small problems
1) I put a 1 in front of my phone number, which the computer read as
an error (because it is, I guess, but that might frustrate some people)
2) It took a while for the ballot to be submitted. I had to wait about 3 minutes and avoid the temptation to click twice.
I really hope this works out for them (no technical problems or pissed off activists).
And I really, really hope Kucinich doesn't win. If he does and gets
the money, well, everyone knows that's not a very good outcome.
And I think Clark will outpoll between 1-3 of the major candidates (probably Graham, Lieberman and Gephardt).
Well, I voted last night after reading the candidates' responses to
the seven questions posed by MoveOn members (I've been on their list for
three years, seems like); I thought it was interesting that Lieberman
declined to participate in that little exercise.
I voted "undecided," because that's what I am right now. I had no
difficulty at all ('course, it was about 3:00am EST when I did so).
Kombiz said: "I asked Kevin what he thought about the second ballot.
Do they really think that democrats would vote for Bush if their
candidate didn't win, or was it a forumn for us to nudge a couple of the
candidates out? I'm curious how many people clicked all and how many
people used it to voice their opinions about other candidates?"
I thought the second ballot was useful for registering my least
favorite candidate by leaving his name unchecked while checking all
others. Reality is I'll vote for Lieberman if he's nominated. Even if
Bush stepped aside to let Jesus take his place on the Republican slate I
can't imagine how HE'd sell me on why HIS choice to associate with the
last 20 years of GOP is ok.
FWIW, my vote was for Dean. Ashcroft be damned.
um.. I feel a little left out here. I voted for Kerry. Is the
calpundit community pretty much straight for Dean? Maybe Kevin needs to
do a little vote thing on the side of the page. Not making any
suggestions but I'd like to see where people come down in the community.
I don't think it's Calpundit per se that attracts Deanies, but blogs
in general. Calpundit is linked to on the Dean blogs because he is a
prominent lefty blog -- he hasn't specifically endorsed any candidate
that I remember.
Ditto, Matthew Yglesias, Atrios, and others. I, on the other hand, have decided for Dean and I don't keep that a secret.
Dean supporters use the web to organize and we read blogs and send links to each other -- Calpundit is a major destination.
As for question 2 on moveon.org -- I will support the Democrat who
wins the nomination. I mean anyone -- and, Lieberman is not a
conservative -- it's crazy to think that -- look at his record. Dean is
to the right of Lieberman on many issues.
Even the liberal Kucinich is to the right of Lieberman on choice.
Sometimes it's not whether so-in-so is more or less liberal but
whether they do the right thing at critical moments. Lieberman has made
some major misteps when confronted with important choices. Choices
that were fundamentally between right and wrong, not left vs. right.
For some people I should probably elaborate, but I kind of doubt most
here will miss this point. And, besides this thread is getting kind
of cold. Perhaps the discussion can be taken up later in a more current
It's rather interesting for me..
It's rather interesting for me..