May 30, 2003
BLAIR COOK ON WMD....This is from Fred Kaplan's article in Slate today about the missing WMD:
Like
most public events, wars, even premeditated wars, rarely have a single
rationale. But a powerful rejoinder comes from Tony Blair, the British
prime minister. "I have absolutely no doubt at all about the existence
of weapons of mass destruction," Blair told reporters on Thursday. Asked
if it matters whether they exist, Blair replied, "It matters immensely
because the basis on which the war was sold to the British House of
Commons, to the British people, was that Saddam represented a serious
threat."
Good for Tony, I thought, at least he's
sticking to his guns that the existence of WMD was vitally important as a
justification for war.
Nope. Kaplan screwed up. That quote actually comes from Robin Cook, who opposed the war all along.
Blair, it turns out, was in Warsaw at the time, obviously getting a little bit sweaty and overtalkative about the whole situation....
Posted by Kevin Drum at May 30, 2003 07:45 PM
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I guess a part of me is just brimming with schadenfreude, but in
fairness to everyone involved, this is a Hobson's choice, assuming WMD's
are not found: either there was willful deceit (yes, slanting reports
to achieve an end not borne out by the facts is willful deceit), or the
intelligence was not up to the task.
The question now is will an unquestioning public on both sides of the
Atlantic give credence to subsequent claims against Iran or Syria?
Step right up folks, and place your bets! Assuming anthrax doesn't turn up in the next few days, WHAT is Tony's response?
1) Attempt to shift the focus to liberation?
2) Admit he was incorrect, and then go the silver lining route? (At least we removed an evil dictator...).
3) Claim he was given bad intel?
4) State he trusted Bush and America and even now can't understand how they can be wrong, so give it time?
5) Stammer a lot, and hope no one starts digging into who ordered the British dossier to be tarted up a bit...
Take your bets! Take your bets....House picks 4!
Well, you know, the Prime Minister was clearly trying to manipulate
British public opinion by lying to them because he needed oil for
American oil companies. I hear Blair also wanted to help out Cheney and
Haliburton.....
Yeah, Sebastian, maybe you can spin this whole thing as one big
liberal conspiracy! Maybe that will shift some of the focus from the
massive deception that just led this country into war.
I'm sure that's what the righties inside the beltway will do. It
will be trickier than usual, what with the incontravertable lack of WMD,
and the incontravertable fact that Bush sold the war based on WMD, and
controversial-but-still-highly-likely fact that Bush and the Pentagon
pressured intelligence agencies to present selective and in some cases
forged evidence... but the righties are very clever and have access to a
gimp mouthpiece media machine, so I suspect they'll do all right.
Right Wing Attack Technique # 13a: The Hydra
Propose a rationale. When reality exposes the rationale as foolish, quickly propose two more.Repeat.
tristero, you (or someone) should write a book. Rather than
debunking each and every one every time it's thrown onto a blog board
(as if at a wall, to see what will stick), we could just use numbers.
Actually, I'd love to see a site like the snopes site dedicated to
debunking right wing talking points, things like, "Blix claimed there
were weapons stockpiles too". Then each one could be responded to with
merely a url. It wouldn't be a bad investment of some rich liberal's
money; then we could all save a lot of time responding to the same lies
and misrepresentations over and over, and start thinking about how we'll
hold President Dean's feet to the fire.
And why don't I see Sebastian Holsclaw as a terribly credible source for articulating the arguments of the antiwar movement?
But now the Big Lie has begun concerning those
two woeful trailers. Weeks from now the public
will forget the sight of the trailers, but aWol
will be quoted again and again about how WMDs
were found at the end of May.
because he needed oil for American oil companies.
You know, there's British oil companies too.. Shell, for instance, and that little outfit called BP.
I'm going to leave determining the meaning of BP as an excercise for the student.
According to Josh Marshall, the hawks are going to try to pin the WMD fiasco on Powell and the State Department.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/may0304.html#0530031111pm
John Yuda writes, replying to Sebastian Holsclaw (who does not and cannot deserve any reply more sophisticated than "FUCK! YOU! COMPLETELY!"):
because he needed oil for American oil companies.
You know, there's British oil companies too.. Shell, for instance, and that little outfit called BP.
And a little outfit called the Carlyle Group. But Sebastian would rather pretend they didn't exist.
OK, folks, keep it clean.....
Sebastian Holsclaw (who does not and cannot deserve any reply more sophisticated than [censored)
That's ridiculously unfair to Sebastian. He's one of the more honest
debators on here, just because you disagree with him is no reason to
treat him with that kind of dreck.
I remember pre-war, that Bush mentioned "regime change" as a casus
belli, and this was big news in the Guardian and the Independent, enough
so it began to disrupt the Anglo-American partnership. It seems that
the UK made war solely on the basis of violations of the UN resolutions,
and perhaps in order to disarm Iraq, but for no other (legal) reason.
Certainly not humanitarian ones. Whatever humanitarian benefit might
come from this (eliminated Saddam's rule) was comforting, only. Blair
specifically said as much. Immediately prior to the war, the Chancellor
(or some other high-up legal authority) gave his opinion to Blair that
launching the war without a second UN resolution wouldn't be a war
crime. That ruling was disputed, but not forcefully, at the time. I
think that Blair isn't backing down because he can't without admitting that Government undertook illegal action. I could be wrong, but I'm certain Blair, perhaps any PM, will find it harder to fudge accountablility.
That's why they're the last English-speaking republic.
Just wanted to see if many lefties would latch on to the 'Tony Blair
is a pawn of the oil conspiracy' meme that I was thinking of putting out
there. I would think that you guys would be to smart to latch on to
something that ridiculous, but I was clearly wrong.
:)
So, anyone who isn't totally crazy want to explain why Blair signed
up for the war if there wasn't a good reason to believe that WMD existed
in Iraq? Is British intelligence as bad as the CIA?
Sebastian:
Did Blair have any real choice? Look at how the Bush administration
treats its detractors, or even anyone who doesn't fully sign on to its
platforms. The entire "special relationship" between America and
Britain would go down the tubes if Blair had not supported Bush.
And where would that leave Britain? For all that Blair supports being
part of Europe, the EU is dominated by the French and the Germans, who
historically have not been the best of friends with Britain. Blair wants
to be part of Europe, but he wants Britain to have a large say in
Europe, and it can't do that without the "special relationship".
So, really, did he have a choice?
Nothing's far when one wants to get there.
Make it your guiding principle to do your best for others and to be
trustworthy in what you say. Do not accept as friend anyone who is not
as good as you. When you make a mistake do not be afraid of mending your
ways.
Virtue never stands alone. It is bound to have neighbors.
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