May 25, 2003
FEELING BETTER....SORT OF....I GUESS....I just got home a few
minutes ago and wandered over to the computer, figuring I would remove
the post below. You know, Prozac kicking in, that kind of thing.
But since it seems to have touched off a bizarre hailstorm of
comments and links — I guess I forgot it was Sunday, when there's not
much to blog about — I suppose I should leave it up. So up it stays.
POSTSCRIPT: On the other hand, my day was certainly not enhanced when
the berry pie I bought for dinner turned out to be a peach pie when we
cut into it. I love berry pie. I hate peach pie. What a drag. How do
you mix up a berry pie with a peach pie, anyway?
Posted by Kevin Drum at May 25, 2003 09:28 PM
Twitch. Twitch. I'm glad you're feeling better really I am, but
you've punched a button. Hard. Please quit talking about Prozac (and
allied SSRIs) as if it were a happy pill. It is not. All it does is
address a chemical imbalance in your brain. You can be depressed when
taking an SSRI if it is situationally appropriate, but you don't fall
into the black pit any more. Twitch. Sorry. I'll try to shut up now.
"Please quit talking about Prozac (and allied SSRIs) as if it were a
happy pill. It is not. All it does is address a chemical imbalance in
So true. Only once in my life have I run up against anything like a happy pill at all, and his names are "Jack" and "Daniels."
As Bush might say: "Who cares what fruit you like? At least you got pie!"
I guess one of those non-English-speaking, low-wage employees didn't know to change the lable for the pie boxes.
But really, Kevin, as frustrating as getting a mislabelled pie is,
and it's happened to me too, aren't there a few far more pressing things
to discuss lately?
That was the deities paying you back in advance for crowing about having Memorial Day off and me not.
As far as the pie goes, just another in the many vagaries of life. As someone said in response to your "depression":
Cheer up...it'll probably get worse...
And it did.
Since SSRIs take a couple of weeks to "kick in," the awful truth is you're just feeling better.
And the pie is probably retribution for allowing Steven White to write and publish the following paragraph unassailed:
Kevin and others in the comments section wonder whether the fact that
Saddam was a "cruel, monomaniacal, brutal, thuggish bastard" (to use
Kevin's words) was sufficient justification for the US to remove him.
Kevin has previously noted that polls show the WMD argument to be of
secondary importance to many Americans. Those Americans see the issue
clearly: if America is to stand for its ideals, it must stand against
those who are cruel, brutal bastards. Every time. Always. We tolerated a
number of such bastards in the Cold War because the thought of losing
to the Soviets was (to most) unthinkable. The Cold War is over, and one
result of that should be that the US should not ever again coddle cruel,
brutal bastards, regardless of their ideology.
Put food on your family!
Build the pie higher!
What you need to do is make sure that everyone who might provide you with pie is aware of your pierarchy.
It's good that you left it up. We appear to be entering a "fire with
fire" phase in which each new depredation initiated by Republicans will
have to be matched by return fire. As they say, bad money drives out
good, and bad politics drives out good (if we let it).
BTW: one other thing that Republicans seem determined to eliminate is
democracy. It's clear that their real goal is one-party rule, much like
that found in a country that we fought to a standstill for 50 years,
largely because their system was based on ... one-party rule.
The Tom DeLays of the world have found that intimidation works (so
far). Can we prove to them that it doesn't? Do we have what it takes to
stand up to them? How many of us have skin thick enough to deal with the
kind of treatment handed out to even a mild-mannered opposition leader
like Tom Daschle ("hateful", "deplorable", "hates America", etc.)? If we
don't then DeLay wins, end of story.
I believe that alcohol is considered a depressant, not a stimulant. I
like Jack Daniels, but don't drink too much any more. No particular
reason. I like pistachios, too but don't eat them much any more either.
On happy note:
I found this bit of news on right-wing rag:
"Nobel Peace Prize's Shameful Leftist History"
Posted by the ChronWatch Founder, Jim Sparkman
Monday, May 26, 2003
If you ever thought very highly of the Nobel Peace Prize
read this article by Jeff Chidester, writing in FrontPageMagazine. The
historical basis for the selections to receive this prize is amazing, or
The once-renowned Nobel Peace Prize has lost much of its
lustre in the public eye by the committee’s increasingly transparent
desire to make the prize an extension of its left-wing politics. From
rewarding outright communists and terrorists, to failed American
presidents, to the possibility that Jacques Chirac will be honored for
his ''heroic'' efforts to defy Iraqi liberation, the prize has come to
be seen as what it truly is: an annual political reward to the Left's
most visible stalwarts.
Will congraudlations to President Jacques Chirac after all I think it
took guts to stand-up to Bush's fraudulent WMD juggernaut and Chirac
certainly has received all forms of hell for it.
I sincerely hope he wins the Nobel Peace Prize. I don't think there
is any such thing as compassionate conservative but certainly Bush never
Snort. I love that the right-wingers think Chirac is a lefty.
Oh yeah and another note:
I wouldn’t let anything Matthew Yglesias says carry very much weight.
For all his Harvard educated knowledge that kid still makes comments
that are so obtuse they boggle the mind. Matt doesn’t understand how one
might become depressed about the ruin that Bush has managed to
proliferate. I've noticed that Matt has no understanding whatsoever of
US jurisprudence and the study of legal philosophy would be extemely
relevant for someone as interested in politics as Matt is so go figure
why it is that Harvard does seem to include that course of study in
Matthews degree, but clearly Harvard doesn’t seem to have included that
knowledge in Matt’s general graduations requirements for a degree in
The things that Bush has done to this country are extremely
detrimental to democracy, to our economy and the nations well being.
These things that Bush has done cannot be corrected easily. As Chief
Justice Earl Warren once said, “Under a democratic form of
government, people can vote for poor government as well as good, and,
when they do, it often takes time and a lot of effort to undo the bad
Chief Justice Warren was talking about the Nixon administration,
which was put to right because of Nixon’s impeachment. We had a very
aggressive Democratic Party in those days. We don’t have that now and
that’s pretty damn depressing.
It's interesting that NYT covers this topic too in today's newspaper STATE OF THE PARTY
It's not really all that great of an article but does still mention
that the Dem's don't have a message. I don't think the Democratics have
any source of principle any more either because they simply have utterly
failed to seeing what Bush is doing and than proactivly pulled together
to confront his harmfully policys.
I don't like peach pie, either: to me, it's just a waste of good pastry.
This is what worries me, because it's probably true. And I know someone at AEI isn't gonna say anything nice...
From the NY Times
Norman J. Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute says Democrats
may have passed a point where "minority status gels and makes it
exponentially harder to get back in" because potential candidates and
donors see only minority status in their future.
I just don't understand how anyone could not like peach pie, although
given a choice, I would take apple pie or key lime pie any day of the
Might be a good idea to balance today's Clymer article with his Sunday article about the Republicans,
which notes that for a month in 1975 the RNC laid off all its employees
because it was broke. At that moment, the GOP had only 38 Senators and
less than a third of the House. It occupied only 12 governors' mansions,
plus a White House it was likely to lose in 1976. The Dems had
controlled both houses of Congress for 38 of the past 42 years, with
unbroken majorities since 1955 and at least 55% control of both houses
Nevertheless, in 1976 they rose from this wretched condition to almost
hold the Presidency and lose only one seat apiece in the House and
Senate. Four years later they took the Senate, elected 48 more House
members than in 1975, and of course won back the WH.
It can be done.
My favorite pie is pecan. I could and probably would eat a whole
pecan pie if I had the chance, thus I stay as far away from pecan pie as
I also like cranberry pie, which is pretty good. But, not as good as pecan pie. MMMMMMMmmmmmmmm pecan pie.
SamAm, don't believe it. The AEI would like people to forget just how evenly split the electorate really is.
And the pie is probably retribution for allowing Steven White to write and publish the following paragraph unassailed: etc.
Doug, I couldn't exactly go to his house and beat him up. I think he got assailed pretty good, if you're referring to Mr. White's post on a thread below.
As a Michigander in exile, I have to say that the best pies are
cherry and apple. Peach ain't bad. Pecan is too sugary; I have to
drink gallons of water after eating it.
Matt Weiner said:
Snort. I love that the right-wingers think Chirac is a lefty.
A fair point, but you have to keep in mind Chirac's context. In France, he's right of center. But this country's political spectrum is very different; in the United States, Chirac would be left-of-center because he accepts, generally, much of the European welfare state.
For everyone who took part in Sunday's melee:
Go read Krugman today. He says pretty much the same things Kevin said that started the whole hooroar with Jay Caruso.
'Course, I'm sure Krugman is just another "crybaby" too. Right Jay?
penalcolony, what worries me is that the Democratic Party didn't try
to crush the GOP in the 1970's. Somebody once said that in democracies,
there are opposition parties; in dictatorship, only enemies and
And too much of the mainstream corporate media today understands who their owners support, and who wields the bigger stick.
DON'T DO IT !
I discovered pecan pie in college, and - along with a buddy - set my sights on finding the perfect pie.
My mother, a pie virtuoso if there ever was one, learned of the
quest. My friend and I visited for a weekend and, lo and behold, three
(!) homemade pies awaited us. We had pie at every chance, including
Sunday morning breakfast.
Never did find the perfect pecan pie, mostly because I haven't touched a piece since.
Don't know the history about your aversion to peach pie, but it may
have something to do with seasonality. Real peach season is still months
in the future, even in sunny Georgia, and everybody knows that peaches
should only be eaten in season. Maybe you've been fed some kind of
pre-ripened, manipulated peaches in the past that turned you against
That said, for peach lovers pie is about the worst way to go.
Well, in toto, I would agree that he was assailed. But not for that
one paragraph, which I consider to be one of the most ridiculous I have
And, the assailing didn't convert him, nor shut him up, or make him realize that he was not the teacher of the group.
But I ask too much of life. I don't realize that the delusional can
never be changed without some serious and prolonged therapy. Moral and
intellectual superiority, however ill-founded, is rather hard to combat.
In the end, going to his house and beating him senseless (which is
rather useless, since that is his current state) might be the only
course of action.