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May 25, 2003

FEELING BETTER....SORT OF....I GUESS....I just got home a few minutes ago and wandered over to the computer, figuring I would remove the post below. You know, Prozac kicking in, that kind of thing.

But since it seems to have touched off a bizarre hailstorm of comments and links — I guess I forgot it was Sunday, when there's not much to blog about — I suppose I should leave it up. So up it stays.

POSTSCRIPT: On the other hand, my day was certainly not enhanced when the berry pie I bought for dinner turned out to be a peach pie when we cut into it. I love berry pie. I hate peach pie. What a drag. How do you mix up a berry pie with a peach pie, anyway?

Posted by Kevin Drum at May 25, 2003 09:28 PM | TrackBack


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good.

Posted by: paul at May 25, 2003 09:37 PM | PERMALINK

what paul said.

Posted by: edub at May 25, 2003 09:37 PM | PERMALINK

Me three.

Posted by: Quaker in a Basement at May 25, 2003 09:43 PM | PERMALINK

Twitch. Twitch. I'm glad you're feeling better really I am, but you've punched a button. Hard. Please quit talking about Prozac (and allied SSRIs) as if it were a happy pill. It is not. All it does is address a chemical imbalance in your brain. You can be depressed when taking an SSRI if it is situationally appropriate, but you don't fall into the black pit any more. Twitch. Sorry. I'll try to shut up now.

MKK

Posted by: Mary Kay at May 25, 2003 09:55 PM | PERMALINK

"Please quit talking about Prozac (and allied SSRIs) as if it were a happy pill. It is not. All it does is address a chemical imbalance in your brain."

So true. Only once in my life have I run up against anything like a happy pill at all, and his names are "Jack" and "Daniels."

Posted by: Marble Rye at May 25, 2003 10:35 PM | PERMALINK

Mmmmm, pie.

Posted by: Avram at May 25, 2003 11:52 PM | PERMALINK

As Bush might say: "Who cares what fruit you like? At least you got pie!"

I guess one of those non-English-speaking, low-wage employees didn't know to change the lable for the pie boxes.

But really, Kevin, as frustrating as getting a mislabelled pie is, and it's happened to me too, aren't there a few far more pressing things to discuss lately?

Posted by: pessimist at May 26, 2003 12:23 AM | PERMALINK

That was the deities paying you back in advance for crowing about having Memorial Day off and me not.

Posted by: Jane at May 26, 2003 06:01 AM | PERMALINK

As far as the pie goes, just another in the many vagaries of life. As someone said in response to your "depression":

Cheer up...it'll probably get worse...

And it did.

Posted by: Doug at May 26, 2003 06:10 AM | PERMALINK

Since SSRIs take a couple of weeks to "kick in," the awful truth is you're just feeling better.

Posted by: penalcolony at May 26, 2003 06:29 AM | PERMALINK

And the pie is probably retribution for allowing Steven White to write and publish the following paragraph unassailed:

Kevin and others in the comments section wonder whether the fact that Saddam was a "cruel, monomaniacal, brutal, thuggish bastard" (to use Kevin's words) was sufficient justification for the US to remove him. Kevin has previously noted that polls show the WMD argument to be of secondary importance to many Americans. Those Americans see the issue clearly: if America is to stand for its ideals, it must stand against those who are cruel, brutal bastards. Every time. Always. We tolerated a number of such bastards in the Cold War because the thought of losing to the Soviets was (to most) unthinkable. The Cold War is over, and one result of that should be that the US should not ever again coddle cruel, brutal bastards, regardless of their ideology.

Posted by: Doug at May 26, 2003 06:42 AM | PERMALINK

Put food on your family!

Build the pie higher!

Posted by: Loopy at May 26, 2003 07:01 AM | PERMALINK

What you need to do is make sure that everyone who might provide you with pie is aware of your pierarchy.

Posted by: claxton6 at May 26, 2003 07:24 AM | PERMALINK

It's good that you left it up. We appear to be entering a "fire with fire" phase in which each new depredation initiated by Republicans will have to be matched by return fire. As they say, bad money drives out good, and bad politics drives out good (if we let it).

BTW: one other thing that Republicans seem determined to eliminate is democracy. It's clear that their real goal is one-party rule, much like that found in a country that we fought to a standstill for 50 years, largely because their system was based on ... one-party rule.

The Tom DeLays of the world have found that intimidation works (so far). Can we prove to them that it doesn't? Do we have what it takes to stand up to them? How many of us have skin thick enough to deal with the kind of treatment handed out to even a mild-mannered opposition leader like Tom Daschle ("hateful", "deplorable", "hates America", etc.)? If we don't then DeLay wins, end of story.

Posted by: Chloe at May 26, 2003 07:30 AM | PERMALINK

Marble Rye:

I believe that alcohol is considered a depressant, not a stimulant. I like Jack Daniels, but don't drink too much any more. No particular reason. I like pistachios, too but don't eat them much any more either.

Posted by: tristero at May 26, 2003 07:44 AM | PERMALINK

If this really happens it should make you feel a little better.

Liberal Talk Radio?

Posted by: pamur at May 26, 2003 08:29 AM | PERMALINK

On happy note:

I found this bit of news on right-wing rag:

"Nobel Peace Prize's Shameful Leftist History"

Posted by the ChronWatch Founder, Jim Sparkman
Monday, May 26, 2003

If you ever thought very highly of the Nobel Peace Prize read this article by Jeff Chidester, writing in FrontPageMagazine. The historical basis for the selections to receive this prize is amazing, or is it?

The once-renowned Nobel Peace Prize has lost much of its lustre in the public eye by the committee’s increasingly transparent desire to make the prize an extension of its left-wing politics. From rewarding outright communists and terrorists, to failed American presidents, to the possibility that Jacques Chirac will be honored for his ''heroic'' efforts to defy Iraqi liberation, the prize has come to be seen as what it truly is: an annual political reward to the Left's most visible stalwarts.

Will congraudlations to President Jacques Chirac after all I think it took guts to stand-up to Bush's fraudulent WMD juggernaut and Chirac certainly has received all forms of hell for it.

I sincerely hope he wins the Nobel Peace Prize. I don't think there is any such thing as compassionate conservative but certainly Bush never practice it.

Posted by: Cheryl at May 26, 2003 08:40 AM | PERMALINK

Snort. I love that the right-wingers think Chirac is a lefty.

Posted by: Matt Weiner at May 26, 2003 09:01 AM | PERMALINK

Oh yeah and another note:

I wouldn’t let anything Matthew Yglesias says carry very much weight. For all his Harvard educated knowledge that kid still makes comments that are so obtuse they boggle the mind. Matt doesn’t understand how one might become depressed about the ruin that Bush has managed to proliferate. I've noticed that Matt has no understanding whatsoever of US jurisprudence and the study of legal philosophy would be extemely relevant for someone as interested in politics as Matt is so go figure why it is that Harvard does seem to include that course of study in Matthews degree, but clearly Harvard doesn’t seem to have included that knowledge in Matt’s general graduations requirements for a degree in philosophy.

The things that Bush has done to this country are extremely detrimental to democracy, to our economy and the nations well being. These things that Bush has done cannot be corrected easily. As Chief Justice Earl Warren once said, “Under a democratic form of government, people can vote for poor government as well as good, and, when they do, it often takes time and a lot of effort to undo the bad results.”

Chief Justice Warren was talking about the Nixon administration, which was put to right because of Nixon’s impeachment. We had a very aggressive Democratic Party in those days. We don’t have that now and that’s pretty damn depressing.

It's interesting that NYT covers this topic too in today's newspaper STATE OF THE PARTY

It's not really all that great of an article but does still mention that the Dem's don't have a message. I don't think the Democratics have any source of principle any more either because they simply have utterly failed to seeing what Bush is doing and than proactivly pulled together to confront his harmfully policys.

Posted by: Cheryl at May 26, 2003 09:38 AM | PERMALINK

I don't like peach pie, either: to me, it's just a waste of good pastry.

Posted by: Invisible Adjunct at May 26, 2003 10:03 AM | PERMALINK

This is what worries me, because it's probably true. And I know someone at AEI isn't gonna say anything nice...

From the NY Times
Norman J. Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute says Democrats may have passed a point where "minority status gels and makes it exponentially harder to get back in" because potential candidates and donors see only minority status in their future.

Posted by: SamAm at May 26, 2003 10:16 AM | PERMALINK

I just don't understand how anyone could not like peach pie, although given a choice, I would take apple pie or key lime pie any day of the week.

Posted by: John Cole at May 26, 2003 10:26 AM | PERMALINK

Might be a good idea to balance today's Clymer article with his Sunday article about the Republicans, which notes that for a month in 1975 the RNC laid off all its employees because it was broke. At that moment, the GOP had only 38 Senators and less than a third of the House. It occupied only 12 governors' mansions, plus a White House it was likely to lose in 1976. The Dems had controlled both houses of Congress for 38 of the past 42 years, with unbroken majorities since 1955 and at least 55% control of both houses since 1961.

Nevertheless, in 1976 they rose from this wretched condition to almost hold the Presidency and lose only one seat apiece in the House and Senate. Four years later they took the Senate, elected 48 more House members than in 1975, and of course won back the WH.

It can be done.

Posted by: penalcolony at May 26, 2003 10:54 AM | PERMALINK

Peach pie rules!!!!!!

Posted by: Randy Paul at May 26, 2003 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

My favorite pie is pecan. I could and probably would eat a whole pecan pie if I had the chance, thus I stay as far away from pecan pie as humanly possible.

I also like cranberry pie, which is pretty good. But, not as good as pecan pie. MMMMMMMmmmmmmmm pecan pie.

Posted by: Lonewacko at May 26, 2003 12:55 PM | PERMALINK

SamAm, don't believe it. The AEI would like people to forget just how evenly split the electorate really is.

Posted by: Obeah at May 26, 2003 02:49 PM | PERMALINK

Doug writes:

And the pie is probably retribution for allowing Steven White to write and publish the following paragraph unassailed: etc.

Doug, I couldn't exactly go to his house and beat him up. I think he got assailed pretty good, if you're referring to Mr. White's post on a thread below.

Posted by: edub at May 26, 2003 06:15 PM | PERMALINK

As a Michigander in exile, I have to say that the best pies are cherry and apple. Peach ain't bad. Pecan is too sugary; I have to drink gallons of water after eating it.

Matt Weiner said:
Snort. I love that the right-wingers think Chirac is a lefty.

A fair point, but you have to keep in mind Chirac's context. In France, he's right of center. But this country's political spectrum is very different; in the United States, Chirac would be left-of-center because he accepts, generally, much of the European welfare state.

Posted by: Brian Schefke at May 26, 2003 07:18 PM | PERMALINK

For everyone who took part in Sunday's melee:

Go read Krugman today. He says pretty much the same things Kevin said that started the whole hooroar with Jay Caruso.

'Course, I'm sure Krugman is just another "crybaby" too. Right Jay?

Posted by: Quaker in a Basement at May 26, 2003 09:43 PM | PERMALINK

penalcolony, what worries me is that the Democratic Party didn't try to crush the GOP in the 1970's. Somebody once said that in democracies, there are opposition parties; in dictatorship, only enemies and traitors.

And too much of the mainstream corporate media today understands who their owners support, and who wields the bigger stick.

Posted by: Barry at May 27, 2003 04:18 AM | PERMALINK

Lonewacko,

DON'T DO IT !

I discovered pecan pie in college, and - along with a buddy - set my sights on finding the perfect pie.

My mother, a pie virtuoso if there ever was one, learned of the quest. My friend and I visited for a weekend and, lo and behold, three (!) homemade pies awaited us. We had pie at every chance, including Sunday morning breakfast.

Never did find the perfect pecan pie, mostly because I haven't touched a piece since.

Kevin,

Don't know the history about your aversion to peach pie, but it may have something to do with seasonality. Real peach season is still months in the future, even in sunny Georgia, and everybody knows that peaches should only be eaten in season. Maybe you've been fed some kind of pre-ripened, manipulated peaches in the past that turned you against peach pie.

That said, for peach lovers pie is about the worst way to go.

Cheers,

Posted by: Rofe at May 27, 2003 06:52 AM | PERMALINK

Edub,

Well, in toto, I would agree that he was assailed. But not for that one paragraph, which I consider to be one of the most ridiculous I have ever read.

And, the assailing didn't convert him, nor shut him up, or make him realize that he was not the teacher of the group.

But I ask too much of life. I don't realize that the delusional can never be changed without some serious and prolonged therapy. Moral and intellectual superiority, however ill-founded, is rather hard to combat.

In the end, going to his house and beating him senseless (which is rather useless, since that is his current state) might be the only course of action.

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