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May 18, 2003

BOOKS....Every once in a while I read a really spectacular book. Not just a good book, but something that really knocks me flat. So far in my life there have been five of these books. Here they are, along with the year I read them:

This isn't a list of every book I've ever liked, of course (that list is here, if you're interested, although it hasn't been updated for a few years), but these are the ones that have really stood out. Some observations:

  • I seem to have a weakness for really long books. Crime and Punishment is probably the only one on the list that clocks in under half a million words.

  • Despite the fact that 80% of my fiction reading is science fiction, there's not a single sf title on the list (although there is one epic fantasy). I don't know why.

  • About half my reading is nonfiction, but there's only one nonfiction book on the list.

And here's the most important point of all: I seem to run into these books about once every five years, which means that I'm due. The next knock-me-for-a-loop book ought to be heading my way any time now. I can't wait!

Posted by Kevin Drum at May 18, 2003 12:08 PM | TrackBack


Comments

Infinite Jest has Sci-Fi elements to it.

Posted by: DNR at May 18, 2003 12:15 PM | PERMALINK

The Psychology of Judgment and Decision Making, by Scott Plous

Posted by: taktile at May 18, 2003 12:25 PM | PERMALINK

The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant-The Unbeliever! I read all three books in three days. I did not sleep until I finished them. Yes, they blew my socks off.

Just a question-have your read the second chronicles?

Posted by: Rook at May 18, 2003 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, I almost forgot, I have another book I'd like to suggest. It's out of print but you can find it on Ebay, like I did. It's by G.C. Edmondson call The Aluminum Man.

Posted by: Rook at May 18, 2003 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

Ender's Game. Everyone likes Ender's Game. And it will only take you a day.

Posted by: Tacitus at May 18, 2003 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

Rook: yes, I read the 2nd Chronicles. I thought it pretty well sucked. But I liked Mordant's Need.

Tacitus: I've read Ender's Game. It's on my longer list of books I liked, it's just not in the top 5.

Posted by: Kevin Drum at May 18, 2003 12:35 PM | PERMALINK

I've just started (started - ha! I'm 300 pages in and just barely over a quarter of the way through) Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson, and it's starting to get very interesting. It's no Crime and Punishment, but what is?

Posted by: Ross at May 18, 2003 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

I won't claim it will knock your socks off, but the Ender's Shadow book is quite good. I never thought an author could tell the same story twice and still have it be fascinating. (And I don't mean a formuala, Card actually told the same story from the point of view of another character.)

Have you read Stephen Dondaldson's 'Gap' series about salespeople at the giant clothing chain? Actually it is a great sci-fi series, VERY dark but well worth it.

If you want a good modern fantasy, Neil Gaiman's 'American Gods' is excellent.

If you find your next great book, let us know. I need something really good to read.

Posted by: Sebastian Holsclaw at May 18, 2003 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

I will never understand the appeal of Crime and Punishment; for me, it was so plodding and uninteresting that I was never able to get into the prose. I still try from year to year, hoping it's a matter of maturity or wisdom, but it still remains a book I cannot stand.

Posted by: Kenneth G. Cavness at May 18, 2003 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

I've always been much more partial to 'Brothers Karamazov' than to C&P -- mostly because of the vividness of the characters and the fact that the ending is more in line with the rest of the book. Then again, it suffers from a bit more plodding-ness, or rather (to be more charitable) stands in need of more interpretation. By far the best 'difficult' book I've ever read, though.

Posted by: rpc732 at May 18, 2003 01:13 PM | PERMALINK

Okay, then....how about Dreams of my Russian Summers, by Makine?

I can't promise it'll change your life, but it's some outstanding prose.

Posted by: Tacitus at May 18, 2003 01:47 PM | PERMALINK

Did you ever read Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov? That's my number-one knock-me-on-my-ass book of all time.

Posted by: Ted Barlow at May 18, 2003 01:53 PM | PERMALINK

The book that has knocked me on my ass more than any other is Arslan by M.J. Engh.

Posted by: Alex Knapp at May 18, 2003 02:04 PM | PERMALINK

I was going to say, I would recommend Cryptonomicon to anyone who presented me with a list of favorite books like yours.

Or perhaps the Aubrey/Maturin books of Patrick O'Brian. But everybody should read those.

Posted by: Patrick Nielsen Hayden at May 18, 2003 02:22 PM | PERMALINK

George Eliot's Middlemarch and Charles Dickens' Bleak House.

If you liked The Quincunx, you might also try Palliser's more recent The Unburied. The ne plus ultra of neo-Victorian fiction, though, is still A. S. Byatt's Possession. (The recent film version caused much wailing and gnashing of teeth on VICTORIA-L.)

Posted by: Miriam at May 18, 2003 02:22 PM | PERMALINK

I think the two books I've read that knocked me flat came in the last year, and are both war, or army related. Those being James Jones' From Here to Eternity and Tim O'Brien's The Things They Carried.

O'Brien's work is amazing, and Jones' characters just get under your skin. There are some innately homophobic parts in From Here to Eternity but then in was written in the late 1940's and involves an aspect of Army life that nobody at the time would dare associate with our brave soldiers. In fact, I doubt anyone these days would do so either.

Posted by: Raznor at May 18, 2003 02:29 PM | PERMALINK

To echo Ted, if you liked "The Quincunx" you should like "Pale Fire" - another tricky text in which the narrator is utterly unreliable. I read an interview with Palliser where he said there are three "solutions" to the mysteries of the Quincunx that he knows of - the solution that John hits upon and that motivates his vengeance, the second solution that the reader is supposed to surmise as he/she reads the book, and a third solution that someone else figured out and sent to Palliser, which also fits the facts of the book.

Also worth reading (and slightly reminiscent of Palliser)in their obliqueness) is Gene Wolfe's "New Sun" series. Or China Mieville's "Perdido Street Station" - perhaps the most exciting f/sf novel of the last five years. Or for sheer good fun, George R.R.Martin's "Song of Ice and Fire" series - starting with "A Game of Thrones." Well written and plotted, and bloody addictive - it's about as good as straightforward fantasy epics can get.

Posted by: Henry Farrell at May 18, 2003 02:39 PM | PERMALINK

PS - for a slightly more jaundiced take on the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, check out David Langford's account, at http://www.ansible.demon.co.uk/writing/sfx/sfx060.html of the time-honoured sport of "clench racing."

Posted by: Henry Farrell at May 18, 2003 02:47 PM | PERMALINK

Have you read Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum"? Now that is a novel that can knock you flat. And it is somewhat long too, so you should love it.

Posted by: Sebastian Holsclaw at May 18, 2003 03:18 PM | PERMALINK

Check out Darwinia/Mysterium by Robert Charles Wilson. Excellet science fantasy.
You prefer "Childhood's end" to "Rendezvous with Rama" ?

Posted by: SM at May 18, 2003 03:22 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin -

If you loved the Foundation trilogy, and Eon, and Infinte Jest... if you love long complex sci-fi works like Dune, why aren't you reading Gene Wolfe? Esp the Fifth Head of Cerebus and the Urth (Book of the New Sun) works, beginning with Shadow of the Torturer. Fantastic.

And for fully a realized sci-fi world, rich with ideas and complex interweaving cultures on a future earth (and beyond), seek out "On My Way to Paradise" by Dave Wolverton. One of the best, most complex and fully rendered works of sci-fi ever, simply amazing. I can't recommend this book highly enough, it is probably the best sci-fi books i have ever read...I keep buying it and lending it out and never getting it back. Out of print but they have it at Amazon.

Severian

Posted by: Severian. at May 18, 2003 04:10 PM | PERMALINK

Cryptonomicon was really good, especially if you enjoy WWII, codes, and the exploration of privacy concepts in the modern world.

Both American Gods and Neverwhere are pretty much required reading.

Have you read Vernor Vinge's A Fire Upon the Deep? (He also wrote a companion book, a sort of prequel called A Deepness in the Sky). Deep is pretty good.

If you've never read them, Good Omens and Small Gods for a bit more light-hearted reading.

Posted by: Morat at May 18, 2003 05:34 PM | PERMALINK

If you haven't read Douglas Adams' books, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and the other 4 in the trilogy. Those should be your next ones, no matter what anyone else says. You get references to them nearly everywhere you go, if not more than that. They're sci-fi, absolutely hilarious, and they also have some very deep philosophy in them.

After that, you should read Terry Pratchett's, which are similar to Adams', but are fantasy, and while the philosophy isn't as deep, it's both more noticable and covers a wider range of topics. The first in the series is Discworld, which is also where they're all set. (Discworld is a flat, circular world, sitting on the back of four elephants, which are standing on the back of Great A'Tuan (sp?), a giant turtle.)

And finally, the best 8 books in the universe are the two-and-two-thirds trilogies so far written by Robin Hobb. These are fantasy, and are unlike any other books in existance. I could swear she (the author) is just a vessel through which some higher being is writing. Really. Read them.

Also, if you happen to like young adult books, Tamora Pierce's Quartets are good, as are Garth Nix's Sabriel, Lirael, and Abhorsen. Ditto for Philip Pullman's Golden Compass trilogy.

Posted by: Dolphinling at May 18, 2003 05:35 PM | PERMALINK

Please, please don't read Ender's Game. Friends don't let friend read Ender's Game.

If you're looking for a non-fiction loop-de-loop, try And the Band Played On, the late Randy Shilts's account of the early years of AIDS. I only just finished it, some 15 years late, but it was absolutely fantastic. And surprisingly relevant, even beyond the HIV crisis.

Posted by: Charlie Murtaugh at May 18, 2003 05:56 PM | PERMALINK

I knew I'd meet someone, somewhere, who didn't like Ender's Game. Perhaps I could have an autograph? *grin*.

Just jumped in to add: Brin's Startide Rising and Earth, and of course, Iain Bank's The Player of Games, Consider Phelbas and The Use of Weapons. Banks is worth looking into, if only for his creation of a universe with warships called "Ultimate Ship the Second", "A Frank Exchange of Views", and "Xenophobe".

Posted by: Morat at May 18, 2003 06:29 PM | PERMALINK

I'll suggest Primo Levi's "Is This A Man?". And I'll second the vote for Douglas Adams, if you haven't read him. He's very funny. Discworld is very good too, also insane philosophical scifi comedy.
Matt Y's favorite book is A Hero Of Our Time, by Lermontov, and it is superb (and short).
Off the contenders list (for me): Bleak House has wonderful contrapuntal chapters, but you can get *really* bogged down in it. I never finished. Possession is great, and the film sucked.

Posted by: John Isbell at May 18, 2003 06:37 PM | PERMALINK

When it comes to books I'm a middle-weight at best, but my most recent eye-opener book was The Farfarers, Before the Norse by Farley Mowat. Thanks for the list.

Posted by: Dennis at May 18, 2003 06:56 PM | PERMALINK

Your readers have recommended a lot of worthy books, many of which I've really enjoyed. But if you are ready for a knocked-on-your-ass, change your life book, it is Sarah Powers "A Problem from Hell: Genocide in the 20th C." It caused me to change my mind, my priorities, my politics and my tithing.

It is even more harrowing than Randy Shilts' "And the Band Played On" recommended by another poster, which is an Important Book.

Posted by: Melanie at May 18, 2003 08:08 PM | PERMALINK

Not Sci-Fi, but --

Marshall Berman's "All That is Solid Melts into Air."
Michael Chabon's "The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Klay"

Posted by: Claudius at May 18, 2003 08:12 PM | PERMALINK

Not Sci-Fi, but --

Marshall Berman's "All That is Solid Melts into Air."
Michael Chabon's "The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Klay"

Posted by: Claudius at May 18, 2003 08:12 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I've read most of the sf books people are recommending, but the book which knocked me on my ass this year has been STORIES OF YOUR LIFE AND OTHERS by Ted Chiang. Turns my brain inside out.

I have to say though that I quit reading Covenant after the first book. I wanted to murder him. Or at least slap him around and tell him to, "Just get on with it!"

MKK

Posted by: Mary Kay at May 18, 2003 08:13 PM | PERMALINK

I'll second "Thomas Covenant", "Pale Fire" and "Arslan". (Alex, you're the only other person I know of who has read "Arslan". An amazing and chilling book.)

I can't actually come up with a top-ten, but here are the first ten memorable books that sprang to mind:

The rise and fall of the third reich by William Shirer
A Distant Mirror by Barbara Tuchman
The Grammatical Man by Jeremy Campbell
What is life and Mind and Matter by Irwin Schrodinger
Guns Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond
A Scanner Darkly by Philip K. Dick
Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny
Damian by Herman Hesse
Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut
A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens

Posted by: Daryl McCullough at May 18, 2003 08:26 PM | PERMALINK

I love David Eddings as well - I have every book of his. Check out "The Losers" if you haven't already - great general fiction by him, and much different than his fantasy writing.

Posted by: Pauly at May 18, 2003 08:30 PM | PERMALINK

Daryl,

Yeah, I've actually never met anybody who's read Arslan, either. (well, except for Orson Scott Card, who recommended it to me) But I try to force it on people whenever possible. Best written villain ever.

Posted by: Alex Knapp at May 18, 2003 09:14 PM | PERMALINK

I'd recommend the Goldbug variations by richard powers, middlemarch by george eliot, Still Life by A.S. Byatt (better than possession), plenty of fun stuff by Robertson Davies, and anything by Margaret Atwood.

Posted by: Atrios at May 18, 2003 09:31 PM | PERMALINK

I like Eddings too, but he's really bubblegum fantasy. It's too...cheery and easy, really. Good stores, none the less, and his Sparhawk novels are a bit darker.

For fantasy, I'd recommend the Song of Ice and Fire series, the Tad William's Memory, Sorrow and Thorn books, and, as I mentioned before Neverwhere and anything Pratchett.

For hard sci-fi, Baxter can be pretty good too, although it's occasionally hit or miss.

Posted by: Morat at May 18, 2003 10:21 PM | PERMALINK

"The Goldbug Variations" - yes, yes! Brilliant, chilly, compelling. DNA helixes and personal relationships intertwined; one of the few novels about science that Gets It.

David Eddings - No! No! Scraping the bottom of the barrel of commercial fantasy. Badly written, badly plotted, no imagination.

Posted by: Henry Farrell at May 18, 2003 10:42 PM | PERMALINK

Novels: you've probably heard of Sophie's World by Jöstein Gaarder, and it's all it's cracked up to be, both a novel and a history of philosophy. If you're like me and whenever you read a fiction book you feel a twinge that tells you you're wasting your time, this is a great book to read.

The Ruined Map by Kobo Abe is a haunting and exciting detective story in 1960s Tokyo; barely anything really happens in the plot, which adds to its interesting nature.

Also, try reading one of the weird, introspective thrillers written early in Michael Innes' career before he settled into writing the Sir John Appleby mysteries. The Paper Thunderbolt and Death By Water are fascinating and inexplicably exciting novels. Hare Sitting Up is a more conventional scientist-spy novel, but has a great title.

The Great Train Robbery is by far my favorite Michael Crichton book, and it's incredibly accurate about Victorian London.

If you like Youngblood Hawke you should like Marjorie Morningstar by Wouk.

A couple non-fiction books that really amazed me were The Third Chimpanzee by Jared Diamond; Sex on the Brain: The Biological Differences Between Men
and Women
by Deborah Blum; and Who Gave Pinta to the Santa Maria? Torrid Diseases
in a Temperate World
by Robert Desowitz as well as his several overlapping books about personal malariological experience and public health policy (most recent is Federal Bodysnatchers and the New Guinea Virus).

There's a book called The Human Web by someone or other that sounds like it would appeal to anyone who liked Guns, Germs and Steel but got somewhat tired of the focus on the crops of Papua New Guinea.

Everybody's favorite sports book should be Manute: The Center of Two Worlds by Leigh Montville. Manute Bol is an absolutely amazing character.

Posted by: Xhenxhefil at May 19, 2003 12:02 AM | PERMALINK

Thinking about the kinds of books people here prefer, and how we all have similiar tastes...this thread makes me wonder:

Do people who read Calpundit/Atrios/etc
know what their Myers-Briggs personality types are?

I think that you will find that certain types
will predominate here, very different than those which will predominate over on the right-wing blogs.

Maybe Kevin could do a survey, or Atrios, or ?...
I think a lot of these political differences are cognitive differences captured by this typology.

Me, i'm INTP.

Posted by: Delphina at May 19, 2003 12:38 AM | PERMALINK

I just went back to the Covenant series, and was made aware more than anything else that I'm irritated by the word "condign."

Heck, just go read Ulysses. It keeps you off the streets and provides a whole new arena for inside jokes to which the humble masses are oblivious.

Or read Flann O'Brien's The Third Policeman, the most mind-warping book ever written.

Posted by: Thersites at May 19, 2003 12:56 AM | PERMALINK

Under the old system I was XXXJ. I haven't taken it since they recalibrated it so you can't have a nuetral score on any of the scales.

I'm sure you are all shocked by the Judgment. :)

Posted by: Sebastian Holsclaw at May 19, 2003 01:09 AM | PERMALINK

Science Fiction? Ack! 'Thomas Covenant'? Double ack, in bold italics!

Still, d.g.n.d.e. and all that, so here's a List of Things You Should Read If You Haven't Already (That Aren't Science-Fiction but Might Appeal To You if You Like That Sort of Thing). I imagine you'll have read most of these, but perhaps there will be one or two things you haven't got to yet.

Molloy, Samuel Beckett
Headlong, Michael Frayn
Unlikely Stories, Mostly, Alasdair Gray
Till We Have Faces, C.S. Lewis
The Butcher Boy, Patrick McCabe
At Swim-Two-Birds, Flann O'Brien
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
Tristram Shandy, Laurence Sterne
Candide, Voltaire

Nothing even remotely reminiscent of science fiction in a couple of those, esp. Headlong; but as I've recently re-read that and liked it even better than I'd remembered doing, I put it in the list anyway.

Some of your other readers have recommended Pale Fire and I can only concur. Mr Nielsen Hayden recommends O'Brian's Aubrey/Maturin series. He's right, of course. This series has an added bonus for science fiction fans. As you read these books, you'll very quickly recognise them as the source from which Niven and Pournelle swiped shamelessly for The Mote in God's Eye. N. and P. seem to have thought that putting Nelson's navy in outer space and throwing in some three-armed aliens with bad hormonal problems was an adequate substitute for, well, for everything that makes O'Brian worth reading. They were wrong.

Finally, for a bit of fun, have a look at the novel to which I alluded in the first paragraph, Kingsley Amis's Lucky Jim.

Posted by: Mrs Tilton at May 19, 2003 01:14 AM | PERMALINK

Problem: I'm only 17, so my list can't show any of the requisite developing maturity or sensibility. That said, here goes:
Catch-22, Joseph Heller
If on a Winter's Night a Traveler-Italo Calvino
Art and Illusion-EH Gombrich
Interpretation of Schizophrenia-Silvano Arieti
Little Murders (play)-Jules Feiffer

Posted by: PCL at May 19, 2003 04:02 AM | PERMALINK

If you liked Crime and Punishment, go for The Brothers Karamazov. It's deeper, broader, better. And almost 1000 pages, too!

Posted by: englishprofessor at May 19, 2003 04:35 AM | PERMALINK

Have you read Gravity's Rainbow? If not you really, really should. Especially if you liked Wallace, Pynchon is just going to freak you right out.

Posted by: Jeremy Osner at May 19, 2003 05:34 AM | PERMALINK

Ulysses, Catch-22,and Portnoy's Complaint. And Endless Enemies by Jonathan Kwitny, which should be mandatory reading for anyone who either (a) cares about the abyss that Young Mister Bush is dragging us all into or (b) draws breath.

Donaldson is a (very) entertaining hack. Dostoyevsky is a considerably less entertaining hack.

Posted by: Tony Ringley at May 19, 2003 05:43 AM | PERMALINK

Pale Fire is a great 'un, but the book that knocked me on my ass that semester was Mrs. Dalloway. Ford Madox Ford's The Good Soldier, too.

Recently--try W.G. Sebald's Austerlitz. (I should warn you--I didn't get to the end of the first paragraph till the second day I was reading it.)

And I will recommend The Transit of Venus, by Shirley Hazzard, till I am blue in the face.

Posted by: Matt Weiner at May 19, 2003 05:46 AM | PERMALINK

Hey Kevin,

Two recent books that knocked me out:

The God of Small Things, by Arundhati Roy

Life of Pi, by Yann Martell

If you like science fiction, you'll enjoy anything by Ursula K. Le Guin. She's the best.

Connie Willis is great too, although her most recent book (Passage) was very disappointing.

I also recommend Jonathan Lethem's Motherless Brooklyn.

For more not sci-fi, one of the most beautiful books I've ever read is The Street of Crocodiles, by Bruno Schulz.

And Thersites is absolutely correct, Flann O'Brien's The Third Policeman is brilliant and just sickenly funny.

Posted by: mg at May 19, 2003 06:12 AM | PERMALINK

Gotta put in a plug for a different Thomas Pynchon book - Mason & Dixon. IMO, much more accessibile than Gravity's Rainbow - an awesome read - definitely the best book I've read in the last 5 years.

Posted by: Andy at May 19, 2003 06:31 AM | PERMALINK

Delphina: ISTJ.

Kevin: If you liked The Power Broker, Caro's multi-volume LBJ bio is (much) more of the same.

Posted by: Thlayli at May 19, 2003 08:27 AM | PERMALINK

MG,

I've never read anything by Arundhati Roy, but I certainly intend to soon. I stumbled upon a CSPAN Booknotes broadcast of a wonderful speech she gave at the Riverside Church in NYC earlier this month. It was passionate, eloquent, witty and erudite. Unfortunately (from the perspective of our conservative friends) it was anti-war, anti-empirialism, anti-Bush. She had nothing good to say about either the US government or the Indian government (and her condemnation of US Presidents includes the Democratic hero, JFK, specifically for supporting Saddam Hussein way back in '63). I don't consider her comments to be anti-American, though.

If you're in the mood for a good rousing leftist rant, ">read her speech.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough at May 19, 2003 08:33 AM | PERMALINK

Hmm. I goofed up the URL. Let me try again:

Arundhati Roy speaking at Riverside Church, NYC

Posted by: Daryl McCullough at May 19, 2003 08:35 AM | PERMALINK

some suggestions:

The Savage Nation by Michael Savage
Let Freedom Ring by Sean Hannity
Slander by Ann Coulter
Bias by Bernard Goldberg
Taking America Back by Joseph Farah
Useful Idiots by Mona Charen
Invasion by Michelle Malkin


They'll all... umm.. knock your socks off...

Really. I swear.

Heh. Indeed.

Posted by: drew at May 19, 2003 08:46 AM | PERMALINK

"Ender's Game" and "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant" had a couple of things in common: severely overwrought plotting, and truly obnoxious protagonists. There's nothing wrong with obnoxious protagonists, but only so long as the author doesn't act as if the reader is supposed to like them. Thomas Covenant went around muttering "leper outcast unclean" so incessantly that it'd drive one batty, and as for those Wiggin kids, I wanted to feed every one of them to wolves. Along with their author.

I don't remember which Orson Scott Card received a book review somewhere which consisted solely of a comparative study of the succeptibility of the hardcover and galley proof editions to attack by a chainsaw, but anybody who thinks that "everybody loves 'Ender's Game'" sure doesn't get out much.

Posted by: Simon at May 19, 2003 09:20 AM | PERMALINK

Drew ,

All good solid fantasy right ?

Posted by: SM at May 19, 2003 09:21 AM | PERMALINK

Oh - I have read Engh's "Arslan". Truly, yes, chilling. I've been trying to forget that book for 15 years, and I mean that in a good way.

Posted by: Simon at May 19, 2003 09:22 AM | PERMALINK

The Lathe of Heaven should probably be on your list as well. It's quite a short book, however.

Posted by: Morat at May 19, 2003 09:45 AM | PERMALINK

I shamefully forgot Alice Munro's Friend of My Youth (maybe The Beggar Maid, which I read first). They're collections of short stories, but each story has about a novel's worth of stuff in it.

Posted by: Matt Weiner at May 19, 2003 10:06 AM | PERMALINK

Lots of great recommendations above. A couple that I haven't seen mentioned yet but which knocked my particular brand of socks off:

Gore Vidal's "Kalki" -
In this age of chemical warfare and airplanes doing unspeakable things, this is the most chilling (though hopefully not the most prescient) eschatalogical hypothesis I've ever read. Many of his historical novels are brilliant as well, and "Myra Breckenridge" is, as far as I'm concerned, among the handful of great comic novels from the second half of the 20th century, but "Kalki" is his most SF-ish work of fiction.

Michael Talbot's "The Holographic Universe" -
One of the primary reasons why I found the original "The Matrix" quite a bit more intellectually stimulating (once you cut through all the "philoso-babble," as Atrios nicely put it) than even many of the movie's admirers were willing to admit is because I had read this paradigm-busting work of popular physics first.

And along the lines of "Infinite Jest," Pynchon, Richard Powers, and James Joyce, tracking down Alexander Theroux's "Darconville's Cat" will certainly be worth the effort.

Also, has anyone mentioned Theodore Sturgeon's "More Than Human"? It is among the most beautifully written of all sci-fi novels, and has one of the greatest opening paragraphs in all of American literature, as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Stanton at May 19, 2003 10:47 AM | PERMALINK

"Maybe Kevin could do a survey, or Atrios, or ?...
I think a lot of these political differences are cognitive differences captured by this typology.

Me, i'm INTP."

NTP as well, in the middle on E/I.

Good books (classics):

Dante's Inferno (and the rest of the Divine Comedy. Ciardi, Hollander, or Pinsky translations.

Iliad & Odyssey. (Fagel translation).

Tacitus & Suetonius's histories.

Njal's Tale (Icelandic Saga - murders, followed by lawsuits, followed by more murder, followed by more lawsuits, followed by more murder).

SF/Fantasy:

Iain Banks "Culture" novels (and his mainstream novels like "The Wasp Factory" and "The Bridge"), George R. Martins "Song of Ice & Fire", Vinge, LeGuin, Gene Wolfe, most Silverberg. Glen Cooke's "Black Company" novels are good yarns, but little literary merit.

Posted by: Tom at May 19, 2003 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

David Gerrold's "A Matter for Men" is incredible.
A more competitive ecosystem invades Earth, and begins pushing everything terrestrial aside.

Posted by: Jim Lund at May 19, 2003 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

Tom: Glad to know I'm not the only Banks fan around here. I still haven't picked up The Wasp Factory or Feersum Enjin yet..

Posted by: Morat at May 19, 2003 11:58 AM | PERMALINK

Try "Set this House in Order" by Matt Ruff. It's going to really knock you flat.

Posted by: TH at May 19, 2003 12:49 PM | PERMALINK

"Tom: Glad to know I'm not the only Banks fan around here. I still haven't picked up The Wasp Factory or Feersum Enjin yet..:

Feersum Enjin is the best. After that, try Riddley Walker by ummm...I forget the author, but it's great.

Posted by: Tom at May 19, 2003 01:17 PM | PERMALINK

Saw several posts refering to George R. R. Martin. I have never been much into Sci-Fi or Fantasy. Found the first of "Song of Ice and Fire" series in the soon to be tossed pile at the library. I figuerd 1,000 pages for a quarter was a deal I could not pass. I am now addicted. Have also cursed a neighbor and brother in law with the addiction. Waiting for book four. It is mindless R rated fantasy, but what better way to forget about Bush? Since I never read any other fantasy (other than C. S. Lewis' "Seven Tales of Narnia" as a kid) I don't know how it measures up to the others in the genre. But agree with other posters - worth reading.

Posted by: Marty at May 19, 2003 03:51 PM | PERMALINK

More that are worth it:

Midnight's Children, Salman Rushdie
Sometimes a Great Notion, Ken Kesey
Underworld, Don DeLillo
Anna Karenina, Leo Tolstoy
V., Thomas Pynchon
Cannery Row, John Steinbeck

Posted by: Bobbo at May 19, 2003 04:15 PM | PERMALINK

I liked Darconville's cat, but the misogyny in all of Theroux's books is a bit off-putting. Now, I read his stuff in the aftermath of a nasty breakup so I quite enjoyed the "seething anger and despair over mistreatment by evil women" schtick, but...

Posted by: Atrios at May 19, 2003 06:30 PM | PERMALINK

Oh yeah; non-fiction.

I presume that people who like science fiction are thrilled by the weird and wonderful. Science fact, though, is a lot weirder and more wonderful than anything dreamt up by Frank Herbert and his like.

So try the book I never tire of plugging, Dr Tatiana's Sex Advice For All Creation by Olivia Judson.

If you like that sort of thing, have a look at Steve Jones's Y: The Descent of Men, whose first chapter has what I believe the best opening sentence ever written.

Posted by: Mrs Tilton at May 20, 2003 05:13 AM | PERMALINK

Three books I reread often:

Nathanael West: Miss Lonelyhearts and Day of the Locust (usually published together in one volume).

Ralph Ellison: Invisible Man.

Edmund Gosse: Father and Son.

Prefer a doorstopper? Tale of Genji by Lady Murasaki is an elegant, beautiful novel, the first (and perhaps finest) ever written. (I prefer the Waley translation.)

Posted by: Gork at May 20, 2003 09:59 PM | PERMALINK

"Prefer a doorstopper? Tale of Genji by Lady Murasaki is an elegant, beautiful novel, the first (and perhaps finest) ever written. (I prefer the Waley translation.)"

Ah, I forgot! "Outlaws of the Marsh" or "All Men are Brothers" (novel based on old chinese stories), or "Into the West" (Chinese epic based on a legendary journey to India).

Tom

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good book would have to be "All in the family" by jack roberts

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