May 13, 2003
COLOR BLIND?....Geitner Simmons reports that Minnesota, home of Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale, is well on its way to transformation from a blue state to a red state.
Great, just what we need. Does anyone have some good news this morning?
Posted by Kevin Drum at May 13, 2003 09:53 AM
Sounds like good news to me. What's the problem?
I'm pretty happy that Texas Democrats walked off the job and broke the House quorum in order to prevent a DeLay redistricting plan.
They found their backbone and they put it to use. 'bout time.
No good news here. Yesterday Software Spectrum who has had the
contract for MS Office products call center support announced that they
would be laying off 350 tech support specialists as they had lost the MS
contract. That represents 2/3 of their business. They also had no
news of where the jobs would be going, but my speculation is India.
As to Minn. As people get older they tend to get more conservative.
As I am at the head of the baby boomer generation I feel them hard on
my heels. I even admit that I am more conservative at nearly 58 than I
was at 21. However, my goals of a just society have not lessened as I
have gotten older. I do think that we do need to spend less in
Washington DC and more in the states where programs actually get
No good news from Colorado, since our legislature pulled a
gerrymander and illegally re-drew the districts to favor Republicans.
Perhaps the silver lining is that the Republicans are pushing the
pendulum so hard to the right that the swing back will be sudden and
furious, with lasting affects. Create one of the worst economies in
most folk's memory and then pass laws that demolish overtime and other
worker's compensation, and you've got a lot of momentum building to
clean house in the next election - provided the next one isn't stolen or
Being blue from MN, I'm thinking there is some serious over-reaching
going on here. Already there is talk of "What are we getting from our
government? More guns, more liquor, and less education." The state is
addressing a serious budget shortfall and all they've managed to pass is
legislation requiring a 1 day waiting period for abortion (the "Women
are stupid" bill), allowing concealed and non-concealed carry of up to 4
handguns everywhere in the state except the capitol, and allowing bars
to stay open until 2 AM. And the outstate and metro areas are getting
screwed on the redistribution of wealth - the suburban ring gets the
A serious question - will the Metrodome be forced to allow handguns during Vikings games? As written, the law says they must.
I don't know the specifics of the Colorado case, so you may be right.
But generally speaking, legislatures can get away with all sorts of
shenanigans in order to promote partisan advantage. As long as racial
discrimination isn't involved, and a few basic rules are adhered to (one
man, one vote; contiguity; some rational basis for the boundaries)
gerrymandering has always been fair game.
What troubles me is the seeming unwillingness on the part of the
suburban, entrepenurial, "leave me alone crowd" to contemplate the
possibility that the position they're in is due, in part, to actions of
>Sounds like good news to me. What's the problem?
Oh, great -- another red state for us blue states to subsidize (writin' from Michigan here).
In 2000, Gore+Nader was 53%.
In 1996, Clinton+Nader was 52%, plus however much of Perot's 12%.
In 1992, Clinton was 43.5%, plus whatever of Perot's 24% (exit polls showed Perot pulling evenly from the 2 parties, I believe).
In 1988, Dukasis got 53%.
In 1984, Mondale & Reagan were dead even.
In 1980, Carter was 46.50%, plus whatever of Anderson's 8.5%.
MN hasn't changed a bit.
Jason: We don't have proportional representation. By your math, the
Democrats took Florida in 2000. They didn't. If the leftist block
splinters, I don't care if their total adds up to 60%, so long as the
Republicans get the plurality. That's the name of the game in a
Uh, but "the leftist block" isn't splintering. Note that Gore still
beat Bush in 2000, even with a very strong third party candidate on the
My point was that MN's politics, at least at the presidential level,
haven't changed at all. Maybe the GOP can get some short-run advantage
out of the Nader thing, but it's just temporary. MN hasn't turned into
Missouri, much less Oklahoma.
Minnesota politics haven't changed that much at the state level,
either. Remember that in the last gubernatorial election, there was a
strong third party candidate (Tim Penny) who I'm certain drew
significantly more votes away from Moe than he did from Pawlenty. I
confess to being one of them; my excuse is that, at the time I made my
decision, Penny looked like he had a real shot to win, and I never
updated my choice after he fell back in the polls.
There are some issues over which there are significant gains for
Republicans. This is no longer a state where a Hubert Humphrey can get
elected (as proven by the fact that Hubert Humphrey III lost the 1998
governor's race). It has had far too much suburban growth to be an old
style liberal bastion any more; the Cities and the Range aren't a
dominant combination anymore.
Of course, the IRs have their own problems. They are significantly
more conservative on social issues than the general population. At the
moment, both parties are significantly out of step with the views of the
population, which explains why independent candidates have done so well
lately. Whichever party is quicker at updating itself to match the
populace will have a significant advantage. I have no idea if either of
them will manage to figure this out.
I'm still confused as to what groups articles should be posted
to. How about an example?
-- Still Confused
Ok. Let's say you want to report that Gretzky has been traded from
the Oilers to the Kings. Now right away you might think rec.sport.hockey
would be enough. WRONG. Many more people might be interested. This is a
big trade! Since it's a NEWS article, it belongs in the news.* hierarchy
as well. If you are a news admin, or there is one on your machine, try
news.admin. If not, use news.misc.
The Oilers are probably interested in geology, so try sci.physics.
He is a big star, so post to sci.astro, and sci.space because they are also
interested in stars. Next, his name is Polish sounding. So post to
soc.culture.polish. But that group doesn't exist, so cross-post to
news.groups suggesting it should be created. With this many groups of
interest, your article will be quite bizarre, so post to talk.bizarre as
well. (And post to comp.std.mumps, since they hardly get any articles
there, and a "comp" group will propagate your article further.)
You may also find it is more fun to post the article once in each
group. If you list all the newsgroups in the same article, some newsreaders
will only show the the article to the reader once! Don't tolerate this.
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