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May 13, 2003

COLOR BLIND?....Geitner Simmons reports that Minnesota, home of Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale, is well on its way to transformation from a blue state to a red state.

Great, just what we need. Does anyone have some good news this morning?

Posted by Kevin Drum at May 13, 2003 09:53 AM | TrackBack


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Sounds like good news to me. What's the problem?

Posted by: James Joyner at May 13, 2003 10:09 AM | PERMALINK

I'm pretty happy that Texas Democrats walked off the job and broke the House quorum in order to prevent a DeLay redistricting plan.

They found their backbone and they put it to use. 'bout time.

Posted by: Michael at May 13, 2003 10:21 AM | PERMALINK

No good news here. Yesterday Software Spectrum who has had the contract for MS Office products call center support announced that they would be laying off 350 tech support specialists as they had lost the MS contract. That represents 2/3 of their business. They also had no news of where the jobs would be going, but my speculation is India.

As to Minn. As people get older they tend to get more conservative. As I am at the head of the baby boomer generation I feel them hard on my heels. I even admit that I am more conservative at nearly 58 than I was at 21. However, my goals of a just society have not lessened as I have gotten older. I do think that we do need to spend less in Washington DC and more in the states where programs actually get delivered.
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Posted by: Mother of Blog Baby at May 13, 2003 10:23 AM | PERMALINK

Yep. It's my birthday.

Posted by: Ross at May 13, 2003 10:44 AM | PERMALINK

No good news from Colorado, since our legislature pulled a gerrymander and illegally re-drew the districts to favor Republicans. Perhaps the silver lining is that the Republicans are pushing the pendulum so hard to the right that the swing back will be sudden and furious, with lasting affects. Create one of the worst economies in most folk's memory and then pass laws that demolish overtime and other worker's compensation, and you've got a lot of momentum building to clean house in the next election - provided the next one isn't stolen or fixed somehow.

Posted by: Yahmdallah at May 13, 2003 10:51 AM | PERMALINK

Being blue from MN, I'm thinking there is some serious over-reaching going on here. Already there is talk of "What are we getting from our government? More guns, more liquor, and less education." The state is addressing a serious budget shortfall and all they've managed to pass is legislation requiring a 1 day waiting period for abortion (the "Women are stupid" bill), allowing concealed and non-concealed carry of up to 4 handguns everywhere in the state except the capitol, and allowing bars to stay open until 2 AM. And the outstate and metro areas are getting screwed on the redistribution of wealth - the suburban ring gets the prize.

A serious question - will the Metrodome be forced to allow handguns during Vikings games? As written, the law says they must.

Posted by: Tripp at May 13, 2003 11:05 AM | PERMALINK

Yahmdallah,

I don't know the specifics of the Colorado case, so you may be right. But generally speaking, legislatures can get away with all sorts of shenanigans in order to promote partisan advantage. As long as racial discrimination isn't involved, and a few basic rules are adhered to (one man, one vote; contiguity; some rational basis for the boundaries) gerrymandering has always been fair game.

Posted by: James Joyner at May 13, 2003 11:07 AM | PERMALINK

What troubles me is the seeming unwillingness on the part of the suburban, entrepenurial, "leave me alone crowd" to contemplate the possibility that the position they're in is due, in part, to actions of government.

Posted by: Brian Schefke at May 13, 2003 12:35 PM | PERMALINK

>Sounds like good news to me. What's the problem?

Oh, great -- another red state for us blue states to subsidize (writin' from Michigan here).

Buzz

Posted by: Buzz N. Skeeter at May 13, 2003 02:33 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, bullshit.

In 2000, Gore+Nader was 53%.
In 1996, Clinton+Nader was 52%, plus however much of Perot's 12%.
In 1992, Clinton was 43.5%, plus whatever of Perot's 24% (exit polls showed Perot pulling evenly from the 2 parties, I believe).
In 1988, Dukasis got 53%.
In 1984, Mondale & Reagan were dead even.
In 1980, Carter was 46.50%, plus whatever of Anderson's 8.5%.

MN hasn't changed a bit.

Posted by: Jason McCullough at May 13, 2003 03:15 PM | PERMALINK

Jason: We don't have proportional representation. By your math, the Democrats took Florida in 2000. They didn't. If the leftist block splinters, I don't care if their total adds up to 60%, so long as the Republicans get the plurality. That's the name of the game in a first-past-the-post system.

Posted by: James Joyner at May 13, 2003 04:17 PM | PERMALINK

Uh, but "the leftist block" isn't splintering. Note that Gore still beat Bush in 2000, even with a very strong third party candidate on the left.

My point was that MN's politics, at least at the presidential level, haven't changed at all. Maybe the GOP can get some short-run advantage out of the Nader thing, but it's just temporary. MN hasn't turned into Missouri, much less Oklahoma.

Posted by: Jason McCullough at May 13, 2003 04:46 PM | PERMALINK

Minnesota politics haven't changed that much at the state level, either. Remember that in the last gubernatorial election, there was a strong third party candidate (Tim Penny) who I'm certain drew significantly more votes away from Moe than he did from Pawlenty. I confess to being one of them; my excuse is that, at the time I made my decision, Penny looked like he had a real shot to win, and I never updated my choice after he fell back in the polls.

There are some issues over which there are significant gains for Republicans. This is no longer a state where a Hubert Humphrey can get elected (as proven by the fact that Hubert Humphrey III lost the 1998 governor's race). It has had far too much suburban growth to be an old style liberal bastion any more; the Cities and the Range aren't a dominant combination anymore.

Of course, the IRs have their own problems. They are significantly more conservative on social issues than the general population. At the moment, both parties are significantly out of step with the views of the population, which explains why independent candidates have done so well lately. Whichever party is quicker at updating itself to match the populace will have a significant advantage. I have no idea if either of them will manage to figure this out.

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